Why I Left the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement

This is my story. I have spent 20 years of my life in the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement but something happened to me recently that caused me to walk away completely. I am writing this blog in hopes that if you stumble upon it that it will be a source of great comfort to you. It is a very disorienting thing to walk away from a long held belief and a system you have promoted and loved for many years. One of the greatest resources that helped me through this difficult time has been others sharing their stories and so I am compelled to share mine.

I have not walked away from my faith in Christ, only what I now consider false teaching and a system that is overtaken with false prophets and corruption.  I guess this has been a long time coming. Many times I would sit in church and hear the preacher say something and wonder, “Is that even biblical?” then I would wonder if I had a demon or an evil spirit of unbelief (welcome to Pentecostal thinking my friends). I was listening to Bethel worship, Hill songs, all the cutting edge worship.  I was a devoted follower of the Ramp, founded by Karen Wheaton featuring Perry stone (OCI ministries) Damon Thompson, Dutch Sheets the N.A.R crowd and many other famous ministers. Kansas City (IHOP), Morningstar Ministries and Bethel Redding are what I considered great men of God preaching the true gospel. That should give you a clear view of the people I was running with. Those ministries are considered heretical by many orthodox Christians…I had NO clue. When you are in a group think bubble you really cannot see other perspectives at all.  I have come to realize it was like living in a bomb shelter cut off from society.

I kept up to date on  things going on in the charismatic movement; Scandal after scandal with International House of Prayer (IHOP), Morning star, Hillsong ministries and the list goes on. It was a pattern, one that bothered me. One incident occurred when Judy Jacobs a famous TBN minister got up at the Ramp in a prideful arrogant tone and demanded the young kids at the Ramp (Youth Ministry)  dig down deep in their pockets to give money for an offering so Karen Wheaton could buy a Bentley! Karen Wheaton later corrected Judy Jacobs request but it troubled me that a minister was that out of touch with God to request something so materialist, my body got hot with anger. I could not believe this woman would manipulate teenagers out of what little money they had with zero shame. As I shared the incident  with other believers in righteous outrage,not one person said a word at that table, Not one. They looked at me like I just kicked a newborn baby off a bridge?!  like I had done something wrong? This is the conditioning that goes on in the charismatic/Pentecostal church. If you call out a minister on their poor or even criminal behavior and present facts to back up your claim they either ignore you all together or get mad as a hornet. They claim you are speaking out against the Lords anointed. It is a common practice to protect  corrupt ministers. Many believers have been deceived into thinking  if someone exposes a  false teacher they are literally fighting with God himself. The bible warns 17 times in the NT against wolves/false teachers but ministers selectively pick feel good scriptures and ignore others; you know, the ones that bring them under scrutiny or accountability .Sadly most Christians don’t know bible scripture so they  believe pretty much anything the preacher says.  In this movement ministers are worshiped like infallible gods above reproach.  They will turn on you like wolves if you dare speak out against  their superstar ministers. You will be harshly snubbed. Love is a scarce commodity to find in churches and I’ve sat in them for 21 years….scarce.  You are  considered judgmental, divisive and condemned for stirring up dissension among the brethren which is them taking scripture completely out of context to stay unaccountable, complacent and feeling good about their extreme idol worship.  You learn to keep your opposing views to yourself. Total conformity is required to fit in although it is unspoken, everyone knows it.

I became increasingly aware that the preachers I was listening to used bible scriptures here and there but mainly they talked of their own experiences and turned it into doctrine. It sounds good but not God is the way I would describe it. It strays far from biblical teaching but yet it is wrapped in Christian language. It is so subtle that it is unrecognizable to the biblically ignorant and undiscerning. There was constant talk of apostles and prophets that God was raising up in these last days. How God was going to send a great revival which didn’t make sense to me because the bible taught of a great apostasy the polar opposite. They taught  we were the special generation that would usher in the return of Christ. I began to notice a theme; I was all about US and not God. It put an enormous focus on the gifts of the spirit such as speaking in tongues/prophecy and how we were the Elijah generation and we would walk in signs and wonders and how that would cause this great revival. There is an air of spiritual elitism about it.  Once we were all encouraged to speak in tongues and shout out our cities name as claimed territory In the name of Jesus.  As I was screaming my babbling prayers  and becoming exhausted doing it I stopped to look around and thought to myself, “So we can just stand here and scream and God does what we say?”  I look back on that moment and believe God was waking me up to the great delusion I was in. God was treated like a genie in a bottle many times in church services.  I could get a fresh prophetic word every Sunday at the altar as people prayed for me.  I learned to live from word to word and conference to conference, it was a spiritual high I was chasing. I’m certain at one point I was pursuing God but it became an idol itself.  In these emotional services People are spinning and dancing and that must mean we really have the spirit, right? I find that so laughable now to look at people who are expressional during worship as a definitive sign that God is moving. I now know it is manufactured, carnal and the tool Satan is using to raise up false converts with zero knowledge of the Word. I have also noticed music is a main attraction in church; It has replace bible studies.  Our Church actually phased out Sunday morning bible studies and the Wednesday night ones were more secular than anything,  I would call it positive philosophy. All I know is the Pentecostal church as undergone some big changes since I first began and none of them are helping people learn bible Scripture or to understand verses in context.

I am so grateful that I read the NT when I came to know the Lord it helped me to stay grounded and ultimately saved me from this movement. Through the years I didn’t buy into many of the man-made traditions we had adopted like falling on the floor or thinking one had to speak in tongues to have the Holy Spirit nonetheless I went along with it because I didn’t think it was hurting anyone. I see now I was very wrong. To tell someone they don’t have the Holy Ghost if they don’t speak in tongues sets people up to speak in fake tongues or doubt their salvation.  I read most of the Old Testament but always got stuck in the book of Jerimiah. I would allow time to pass and felt I had to start all over again. Maybe if I had read it I would have understood how God views false lying prophets and a corrupt priest which brings me to my point, false prophets and corrupt ministers leading many astray has become a staple in the charismatic movement that I could no longer ignore or be a part of with a clear conscious.

As I sat in church all these years I couldn’t help but become bored with hours of worship, music, lights, TV cameras and pure emotional hype.  I guess that meant we were really reaching the world with the gospel, I mean we were televised, right?  The worship leader is always pushing you or manipulating the crowd to be more expressive but it seemed  so contrived like the more exuberant the crowd was the more validated the worship leader felt in doing God’s work. It  looked and felt like a big show. I was 21 years old when I truly came to know Christ and now I am 40 and let me tell you this stuff gets old. I was hearing 20 years ago how special MY generation was. Generation X marks the spot was the trending evangelical phrase in those days. How God had great and mighty plans for my generation and how he was going to use us in a MIGHTY way. Let me tell you what type of disillusionment that sets a young person up for. It is so unbalanced an sends people out on wild goose chases they may NEVER come back from. Its this  idea that some magical  epic event will transpire in the distant future and THEN you will have “arrived” into your destiny moment. Complete garbage. It is an  out of balance, unbiblical view of being a disciple of Christ.  Knowing Christ and  Living a life simply following the precepts of the bible are more than enough. I don’t need to move to a foreign country as a missionary to be mightily used of God or stand behind a pulpit. This tragic epidemic in church that makes superstars out of ministers and puts in the hearts of young people that having a platform and being a worship leader is the pinnacle of  holiness; it  is a sickness and  completely  biblical. It is a Christian Hollywood full of idols and idolatry and it is rampant in these evangelical circles.

Oh yes, we were always ALMOST THERE, wherever there was. God was ABOUT to do something amazing in our mist. I didn’t know if I could possibly  sit in another “Amost there, about to happen moments” at church it was starting to get under my skin. In fact many things began to bother me in this chaotic movement.  We were all conference junkies running to whatever new “move of God” Charisma magazine was publishing that month. I mean we were God chasers after all, soooo benevolent we were in great pursuit of God.  Nothing says,  “I  love you Jesus” l like paying big bucks for the T-shirt of our favorite superstar minister’s new catch phrase and getting a bonus CD half off. What a bargain! We get to validate his false prophecies and bad theology and they get our money…win, win?

The straw that broke the camel’s back was when a super  Christian guy I was dating and who had become deeply imbedded in this movement broke up with me because God told him too. I told him that did not line up with scripture but he assured me God had spoken to him. Mind you he left me sitting in a worship service for 45 minutes to chat with another girl that he ended up dating weeks later. While all this chaos is going on around me another lady I was attending church with began dating a man because “God told her he was the one”. They were engaged within a month and within two months had broken off their engagement because God apparently spoke to her again and told her  ” No “. Another lady received a prophecy at the age of 38 saying she was to have a child out of her womb, she was now 52 and could not understand what was going on. These three simultaneous events sent me running back to my bible.

I was very hurt that someone deceived me and tagged Gods name to it. The fact that it did not line up with Gods word or his Character made me even more angry. I saw so many people using Gods name in the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement it is dizzying. All the false prophetic words I have heard through the years and was still hearing.  all these  people saying God told them this and that. Most of these people didn’t even know the word much less if God was speaking. Many times there was no biblical backing for their claims.  I prayed,  “God I know how I feel about lying prophets and people using your name but how do you feel about it?” I opened the bible and read Jerimiah, bingo! Now I know God. These men prophesy lies and the people imagine vain things. It was like scales fell off my eyes and I was free. I always thought the verse in 2 Thessalonians 2:11 was peculiar.  God sent a strong delusion upon them so that they should believe the lie because they loved not the truth. When I read that it was like I saw it for the first time, I mean truly understood it.  Your word is TRUTH God. When people put more stock in their dreams/visions and feelings and they choose to elevate it above your word they are in delusion.

God why was I  deceived? I loved church fellowship and dressing up for church. I loved my friends but my heart was far from God. I was living in perpetual sin and stuck in a cycle. I was going through the motions. I remember being in a church service with my hands raised singing a love song to God and realizing I was so lost. Hands raised utterly disconnected from God. I looked so holy I’m sure in my Sunday best. In that moment I said God I’m singing these words to you but I don’t mean it; help me to mean it And he did. I believe it was a culmination of things that brought me to truth. Being hurt, seeing confusion in the life of my friends lead me back to God.  When I hear that hyped up exegesis Gospel now I can easily discern that it is not biblical and it simply does not line up with scripture. If we truly belong to God he will lead us out. The Evangelical Church as a whole is in great delusion. I would describe the modern church as apostate and I have left the harlot church system in my rear view.

I’m grateful for my experiences and grew in the Pentecostal church regardless of the imperfections. I  have a storehouse full of wonderful memories but it has strayed like a boat without a compass; ever so subtle without even realizing it. The erroneous Seven Mountain Mandate and New Apostolic Reformation doctrines have flooded in.  It sounds so Godly no one has stopped to examine weather it lines up with doctrine. What once nurtured my innocent soul began feeding it imitation meat and I ended up in darkness and  delusion. I still believe in miracles, the gifts of the spirit and the Word of God. I still pray but I’ve come to understand we must hold fast what is good and the greatest testimony is simply obeying His word regardless of the goosebumps.

157 thoughts on “Why I Left the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement

  1. Thank you for this post. I can relate to so much of what you are saying. And the anger… oh the anger. It is the hardest part.

    Again, thank you for your bravery in writing this.

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  2. I am a born again Spirit filled believer in Jesus Christ and I also felt tired of the continual prophecies. I have been enjoying reading about the revivals of the past when God impacted communities without any involvement of man. Their job was to seek Him with all their heart in persistent prayer. As regards fellowship, I enjoy attending a very traditional Episcopal church where large sections of all scripture are read and liturgy is the foundation of the communion service. I like going to church for corporate worship singing the old hymns which I believe have powerful lyrics. I am exceedingly wary of much that purports to be of God and long to see a real move of God accompanied by conviction of sin and a resulting holiness. I am also blessed to have a few Christian sisters who feel the same way as I do regarding a true move of God and can have quality fellowship with them.

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  3. wow this resonates so much for me I was so damaged by the charismatic/Pentecostal church as i am now in my 30s, when i was a teen a knew i was gay and i told some trusted people and was told that God would take it away and make me straight basically and that he had a wife for me (i even had a “prophetic” word about it , gradually as i got older i became disillusioned with church, i knew my sexuality was not going to change and i knew that i was not going to get married either so i have decided to stay away from church, my faith is still there but i have become deeply skeptical of the charismatic church in general but also Christians in general though i still believe in the tenants of faith despite the fact i am a gay guy, so now here i am trying to figure all this out and put myself back together after being messed up by the church …

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  4. I had many questions concerning the church and gender orientation. I sought God for years for understanding, after all it is all based on love or at least appears to be ?

    Here is how it was shown to me; If i look for love and put my hope and desires in another human, no matter the gender or preference of interest, i will aways be led off the narrow path. Neither gender nor sexual desires can be a foundation for true love and fulfillment. Once we seek any kind of fulfillment from another human being, we have made shallow our path. We will never know the length the width the depth and the breadth of God’s love depending on another human for fullfillment on this earth. This can only come with surrendering our whole hearts to God and His son, He can only offer us this true love we seek. It is far from a physical relationship. Our flesh will aways lead us on the wide road of destruction , it satisfies for a time, there in lies the disillusionment. Paul say’s it is better to remain single so we may wholeheartedly serve God with all of our hearts, a servant heart is the only way to be truly fulfilled. May we all see He is the only true love we seek, the one true spirit. A spiritual relationship without human influence is the way to understanding the mind of Christ.,,,…. HOBO= Humble, Obedient, Bond -Servant , Of ‘No Reputation…’

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    1. I love this! So true. Carnal desire and romantic love fades and becomes so secondary as you grow older and learn with heartache and experience that human love is so failing BUT GOD. I love love love your comment!

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      1. Beautifully explained Lynn. My people have committed two evils. They have forsaken me the fountain of living waters and are drawing from cracked cisterns which hold no water. Jeremiah 2v13

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  5. Blessings, It was writ in spirit and in truth. Completely His direction as I asked and it bore witness with my spirit.
    He feeds the hungry. We have not because we ask not, this means the deeps, nothing external ought we desire, thus comes the fulfillment. Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness (internal) and all these things shall be added unto you. We must not consider what ‘all theses things’ to be added are for this has no matter , His righteousness is our matter.

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    1. Lynn, could you please expand your answer regarding what you found out about gender orientation? I’m certainly in agreement regarding finding our satisfaction in Jesus. I just don’t understand what you wrote to totally answer your question on gender orientation. I have no animosity. I’m just seeking clarification. Thank you. The Bible can certainly help us to understand how God looks at gender issues. What did you find out from the Word?

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      1. Genesis 1:26-28; 31

        Romans 1

        Jeremiah 6:10-21; Jeremiah 25:15-33; Jonah 1:4-10; Acts 27:13-26

        (Romans 1:26-27)

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  6. Hello, I stumbled on ur blog after reseavhing Pastor Judy Jacobs( couldnt sleep and saw her on tv) ur story resonated in my heart, group think and rwligion w false teachings is so prevalent…I too was involved w the United Penticostal Church, Antioch , in Arnold Md.some 30 yrs ago…raised Lutheran O was searching and growing my spiriuality….Antioch seemed enlighteningbat the time..Shunning my friends and neighbors, family that didny convert within 6-12 months….agter 3-4 yrs of growing in the chutch, having bible study in my home and attending church 3-4 niggts a week w small children became roo much
    ..pressure from elders was growing….in mu heart I loved the Lord and felr it was the wrong church and surroundings for myself and family..no regrets for leaving….I know God led me away drom that mess..

    But it dos taint my children from religion and church
    ..for that I have regtrts for not leaving the Pentecostal UPC church and their twisted beliefs.
    Prayers that ur search for growth in spirituality evolves and younfind the peace in which I have over the years….Peace and Light….thank u for sharingbur story and it gives peace to many hearing the truths regarding Pentecostal- Holiness type churches.

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  7. This is a very fair, well-written article. I too was involved with The Ramp for many years and even lived in the community for a few years. I’m not sure who you are but we’ve probably met or been acquainted at one point in time. I have a VERY similar experience and am encouraged that you’d share yours. It is SO hard to have this conversation with those who are deceived by it. Like you said there is definitely a conditioning that takes place and I think that we’ll meaning people even play a part in it. But yeah…good read and blessings to you. BTW did you live in Hamilton or have friends there? If so we probably have mutual friends. It’s a small world.

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    1. I’m so encouraged to read your comment. It’s wonderful to know we are not alone. It’s very possible that we have crossed paths. I am 40 now and began attending in my mid-twenties so I was around when the ramp was at the 180 building in Cleveland TN, and also at the Christian bookstore. I never lived in Hamilton but attended many conferences. My daughter was raised in it as well. I agree that well meaning people are deceived. That’s what the Bible says about false teachers. They are deceived and in turn go about deceiving others. It’s sad and I’m grateful to finally be awake not on some wild goose chase. I don’t try and convince my old friends of anything, they have made up their minds but I speak what I know to be the truth. They can’t and don’t try and dispute the overwhelming proof of corruption yet they won’t walk away from it either. I have found so many more people who know and have ALWAYS known Pentecostal theology is horrible. I stick with a more rational school of thought and find that my life is so much more peaceful w/o the emotional chaos that is rampant in that movement. As I think back on it I wonder how I lived so long in such a hysterical environment. Here’s my info. Feel free to reach out.

      https://m.facebook.com/jenny.ayala.10888

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      1. Do you believe that Karen is a false teacher or just deceived? I a hard time paving a lot of things that I saw and learned because their waS definitely a mixture of genuine Christians and imposters. The ministry circles that the Ramp was surrounded by are very concerning to me. Always wondered how born again christians could run along side false teachers for years on end and not realize that they weren’t born again. Was it the charismatic church that you were involved with that was the final straw or was it some experience with The Ramp?

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      2. I studied the difference between exegesis and isagesis teachings and watched the Strange Fire conference with John MacArthur which helped tremendously to explain what I was looking at. I was so confused and bewildered coming out. That’s the biggest reason for sharing my story. I certainly outgrew the emotional hype. I believe in simply living the precepts of the Bible are enough w/o all the drama. The N.A.R , 7 Mountain mandate and New Apostles and prophets doctrine they have conjured up are False doctrines that promote spiritual elitist mentality, I certainly saw a lot of Christian super-stars being lifted up. I think she’s deceived and in turn is deceiving others. I encourage you to watch Justin Peters testimony on YouTube. His story helped me as well. I researched all these teachers/ministries relentlessly and found the origins of this movement to be corrupted to the core. Look up bob jones and how the “angel Gabriel” appeared to him giving him the same false doctrines Karen teaches. Bethel Reddings visions have filtered into that movement and they do grave soaking. This stuff is so far removed from biblical teaching it’s outrageous. I knew 8 years ago the Ramp was cultish when Damon Thompson tried to barricade 10 thousand ppl in the Chattanooga convention center and the guy I was with told the kids they couldn’t block the exit because it was a fire safety hazard. There was such a dark cult atmosphere that year but like my group, I dismissed all the red flags and thought there was more good than bad so just take what is good. In my article I mentioned a culmination of Incidents that drove me back to the Bible. All the false prophecies and watching friends believed in these lying words to the point it was hurting others and ruining lives. I consider the Ramp a cult full of false teachings.

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      3. Do you believe that Karen is a false teacher or just deceived? I a hard time paving a lot of things that I saw and learned because their waS definitely a mixture of genuine Christians and imposters. The ministry circles that the Ramp was surrounded by are very concerning to me. Always wondered how born again christians could run along side false teachers for years on end and not realize that they weren’t born again. Was it the charismatic church that you were involved with that was the final straw or was it some experience with The Ramp? I also bear wormed worth something you said about your friend’s reaction to honest conversation. That’s one common denominator that I noticed in the movement. If you try to have an objective biblical conversation about something that may not be ok, people tend to either make light of what you said or just blankly acknowledge that you said something and happily carry on. It’s one of the main things that I realized that helped me come to my senses and wash my hands of the movement. As much talk as there is of accountability it almost never applies to leaders even though they are saved sinners just like everyone else and true, objective, biblical accountability or scrutiny is shunned. That in itself should be enough for any christian to realize that it’s a toxic environment and get away.

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      4. Whatever the rights and wrongs I think you will find many a Christian becomes disillusioned with whatever church or ‘movement’ they belong to after a while. I did and I know others have whether Charismatic, Pentecostal, Baptist, Anglican, Sally Army, Methodist etc etc. Often we just mature and wherever we are at has served it’s purpose and it’s time to move on.

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  8. Sorry about some of the typos above. I was saying where in the laodicean church age. And I did not mean Catholic Charismatic meetings I just went charismatic meetings. I wish I could Edit above but I can’t.
    The Great Commission in Mark is, not Marcus.

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  9. Very enlightening to some of the same questioned I have about the this movement not rightly dividing the word the word of truth the that come from the seducing spirit that would cause the falling away in the last days

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  10. I became a Christian in the 1980 s after coming to London to attend art college, I had a portrait in the National gallery in London and that was sucess as a young teenager, i had also been approached by people who were scouting for up and coming miss irelands in beauty pageants because they had seen my picture in newspapers .London was a big place for a teenager from the sticks in Ireland, so i got in touch with a friend who recently became a Christian and was living in London and at art college. I gave my life to the Lord having heard her testimony, so charasmatic Christianity was all new to me, I was church of Ireland.For me despite being pretty and tallented i had a huge void in my heart and I knew that when I heard about Jesus , He was the only one who could fill the void. But then my real troubles began, they the (church ) i attended stripped me of any confidance , i became controlled and manipulated. The art college i attended wrote to my parents and said i was a very tallented student but they believed i had got mixed up in some sort of cult, but if they could help me they would sort out accomodation and try to get me out of it, I wasnt responsive and left art college. I tried to commit suicide because I was so lost inside , they mocked me and scorned me at church, my so called friend from ireland totally rejected me. They sent one of their big leaders to me to sort me out, he said I was only fit to be thrown on a dung hill, then in passing he asked to see some of my paintings. He completely changed his tune and said Iwas so worthwhile and tallented and beautiful. Anyway I saw the light after that terrible experience and got out of that charasmatic( recognised church) . Many years have passed now but the experience will always be raw, but i love Jesus and He saved me and He has kept me through everything, He is the light He is the word who dwells among us full of light and truth? The light shines in the darkness and the darkness can not overcome John chapter 1.

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    1. No, but it threw me into a tail spin, depression, confusion and a lot of questioning. it’s almost 2 years out and I’m just now getting to the place where I can pray. I’m just now leveling out after I went through a very dark time. Maybe I will write about that in the future but honestly I’m still in a healing season. Oddly enough I had to leave church to get mentally/emotionally healthy.

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      1. Hey,
        I have a friend who is completely caught up. I think he needs therapy. Do you think that can help? If so have you heard of any type of therapy that could help my friend move away from this? He is completely dependent on having the holly spirit inside of him, anytime he feels it’s not inside of him he feels depressed and can’t function. This is not a sustainable way to live.

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      2. Therapy is rooted in humanism, so no it will not help your friend but the Truth spoken in love and empowered by the Spirit definitely will.

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  11. After coming out of all of that the Lord sent me a true friend ,a Christian lady who helped me recover , her husband and her were in the same church and he (her husband had been very abusive ),she however had a strong faith in the Lord and took me under her wing, together we prayed and what a battle ensued as we sought to leave that church, it was Spiritual warfare with a capital S. They came at us from every quarter , including her husband. I wont go into the gross details but suffice it to say the dear LORD got us out of there. I still carried on in the charasmatic church , only to have more bad experiences, through it all the Lord kept me close and taught me much. I totally believe in the New testament Church for today.

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  12. I am not condemning all the preachers you mentioned, but a lot of the ones you mentioned aren’t typical, IMO, of the Pentecostal movement. Some aren’t really ‘Pentecostal’ per se.

    My experience with the ‘signs and wonders’ or ‘prophetic movement’ is that the churches and conference I have attended can be rather light on the Bible. My experience in the A/G, and Southeastern Pentecostalism is a much heavier emphasis on the Bible. This was especially true in the A/G, but I know at least one that is into NAR type stuff. I’ve also lived abroad a lot and my not have my thumb on the pulse of what is going on. There are plenty of smaller churches that don’t have the blacklights and don’t follow that style. IMO, much of southeastern Pentecostalism places too much emphasis on feelings. I don’t endorse the whole movement. But I am thinking many things you describe would be considered the fringe of the movement by preachers at more conservative churches.

    There is plenty of room for correction, I’m sure. Also, some of the churches teach an unbiblical idea that false prophecy is okay. They might not call it ‘false prophecy.’ They misuse the verse that says, ‘we prophesy in part’ to mean it is okay to prophesy in error. If you have a map of Florida where Miami is on the Georgia border and Pensecola is where Miami is supposed to be, that map is in error. Half a torn map with a cigarrette burn where Orlando is supposed to be is ‘in part.’ Those are two different things. Prophecies do not tell us everything, but if they are from the Lord, they are not false prophecies. And prophesying falsely in the name of the Lord is a bad thing. Paul mentions the idea of bearing false witness of God, claiming He did something He didn’t, in a context that indicates that it is a bad thing to do in I Corinthians 14. Claiming God spoke when He didn’t is a bad thing. Gifts are given according to the grace given unto us. More grace doesn’t mean we have inferior gifts. So we should not expect New Testament saints to have inferior or defective gifts.

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    1. A sensible reply amongst all the other stuff. I gather the latest craze in recent years is for Pentecostal Protestants to move over to the Catholic Church. Can’t help thinking the old adage is correct: ‘if you find a perfect church don’t join it. You’ll only ruin it’.

      The pentecostal type church isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. Those of a more sensitive nature or those prone to depression or therapy will not find it conducive to their mental wellbeing. Quiet meditation, formal structured services and order are more helpful. It doesn’t make Pentecostalism wrong per se. Just different.

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      1. Well that sounds smart but human reason and psychology aren’t authoritative answers. We rightly understand things through the light of Gods Word.

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  13. omg. We could exchange names and I would be the one writing this. Me too left movement at age 20 and is now 25 years ago. I was into Benny hinn and hill song and Friday home fellowships and integrity music and God knows what. I would say recovering from whatever damage that was done has taken me so many many years. I am not even sure I am well even now.
    But thank you for writing.
    webuzy

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  14. Thank you very much for sharing your experience with the Charismatic Church. I am that place where I have made the decision to move away. Your blog has touched me because you wrote about the same thoughts and experiences that I have had. At the moment my words are few because I still have to process and come to terms with everything.

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  15. Thank you for sharing your experience. I find some of the people involved in these churches to be really good people who are earnestly seeking the Lord. There is a lot of good, then there is a web like part. Something distinctively not related to anything of the Prince of PEACE. I have a lot of thoughts on this but am still wrestling with how to articulate them.

    I do have a question for you: What do you know about The Wilderness Society and Carolina Revival that Damon Thompson is now running out of a small church in rural South Carolina? Has he changes his ways since the Ramp days and walked away from the errors of that? I listened to a few of his very recent teachings and he says he used to preach to thousands but he left it all. Anyone know?

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    1. I started w the Ramp in my twenties and I’m now in my 40’s. I watched Damon Thompson grow extremely arrogant and young folks esteem him like a God. It became dark and cultish in a way that was scary. Once in Chattanooga TN during winter ramp at the Convention center packed w THOUSANDS of ppl, He told the young ushers to block the doors and not allow anyone to leave because “they were not going to disrespect the preaching of the word of God” behavior like that is a common occurrence w/him. Thankfully I was w someone who told them it was a fire safety violation to block exits. One young boy had to use the restroom and they refused to let him out. In that moment it felt very “Jim Jones” nutty. I know he has a meeting place in SC but have not heard any of his messages but I’ve seen enough of him to know to steer clear. Many of his “sermons” are about berating other churches or the church system and picking a part everything wrong in them. He has flaky interpretations of scripture w his “God given revelations/visions” and it can turn really negative. It’s not said point blank but the overall theme is he is one of the only ones preaching the REAL gospel and that type of hyped up emotional message can radicalize ppl in a very dark way.

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    1. Hi Jessica, yes I did the same. I moved to be near the Brownsville revival and ran off to see Lakeland nonsense when it was published in Charisma magazine. Thank God you are free!!! ♥️

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  16. Jeremiah 29:13 (KJV)
    13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. Often churches are made up of what various people, even godly people, believe is to be the correct interpretation of what the scriptures tell us. That explains why there are so many churches and different types of churches. However, if we truly want to find God then we need to seek Him individually and with all of our hearts. Doing this is an individual quest. We can do a portion of it in a corporate setting (like a church group) but God only saves us (through Jesus and His Truth) one heart at a time and as that heart is truly ready to be saved.- – – In other words, God doesn’t save the whole church but rather just those whose hearts are right towards Him no matter what church or church type it is. Jesus must become our very own Personal Savior. Jesus is The Lord, the church may be a good place and be very well meaning, but it’s not the Lord. It didn’t die for our sins or hang on the cross for anybody.

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  17. I came across your article and wanted to reach out to you. I too have seen major abuses in the Charismatic church. My wife and I have surely been hurt over the years with some of the garage that goes on. And yes there is false doctrine being taught. The Lord has called me to bring back a pure focus on Him, instead of all the stuff. If you wouldn’t mind checking out my website sometime I would appreciate it.

    http://www.generationchosen.net/church

    My heart goes out to you. I just don’t want to see you disregard Biblical truth on the account of all the junk out there. The Lord gives us a clear blueprint in the scripture of how the church should be. One example is the leadership of apostles and prophets. The only one who has ever said these ministries have pasted are other men. Please don’t get caught up in the doctrines of demons on the other side of the path. Don’t through the baby out with the bath water. The only one who has the authority to do away with something is the Lord. And He set up His church the way He wanted and then wrote it down for us for a blueprint. The scripture is right and true even if Charismatic ministers make up doctrine like the “Seven Mountain Teaching”.

    The Lord needs us who understand the abuses in the current church to come together without disregarding truth in the scripture. He shows us this stuff to create a true and pure focus on Him. Many have become bitter by the Charismatic church. I don’t want to see these people be disqualified from their callings, because of rejecting truth in the Bible. Healing and miracles should never have been made the focus. However they are apart of the ministry of Jesus and whoever is His true disciples.

    The Bible is the standard. Not John McAurther or Todd Bentley. If we believe the teaching of any man over the scripture then we are at risk of going into great deception. If we give in to our own hurt or bitterness and place it above the scripture then we are at risk of going into deception.

    Bless you all.

    Thank you

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    1. Saying that people shouldn’t follow the teachings of men and just follow the Bible is not without is own baggage. I’m sure that if you stood behind a pulpit and taught your at least assume that you were teaching scripture. Should people not listen to you as well. Also there are no “A”postles and “P”prophets in the church today. They were given to the church during the breaking in if the gospel to bring the church the inspired word of God as we know it today…accompanied with sign gifts. Show me a man with a sign gift that can perform miracles today and I’ll show you an Apostle…. There are none and there doesn’t need to be. The Gospel has already been validated with these miracles. It or job now to proclaim it in faith

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  18. All we would have to do is swap names and your story would become mine. I was involved in the Charismatic Movement for 10+ years. I was truly saved in this movement at the age of 20. (The Lord saved me “in spite of” not “because of” the movement) Because I was SO thankful to God for saving me I truly wanted to give my all in service to the church. I left college, quit a job, took part in an internship with the church, served until I was exhausted (being in church sometimes 6 days a week), conference after conference, encounter after encounter…serving and serving…until I became tired both physically and spiritually. I thought to myself, after all of this I feel no closer to God. I watched 8 years fly by and here I am almost 30. All of my “sacrifice” (really works righteousness) amounted to nothing. I felt lost. No longer connected to God. As much as I loved my friends, I did not feel we had the same convictions about where we were in life. I would pour out my heart to God in prayer over it. I did not like my carnal life. I could not be satisfied living a life apart from God. Then I began to read His Word….truly studying His Word. I could not believe how many Scriptures were taught incorrectly from the pulpit. My foundation was corrupt! I constantly prayed for understanding and that God would lay a new foundation based on a correct interpretation of His Word. And He has! Still a work in progress of course. It took me until the age of 35 to finally get completely out of this movement. How patient the Lord was on me…I will forever praise Him for that.

    If at all possible, I would love if you could contact me. I would really like to talk to you one day. I hope you can see the email I put in.

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    1. God is God, the church is not. His plan is that we ultimately develop a personal relationship with Him and not through somebody or something else. The church is supposed to be a help in the process of doing this, but it’s not to take the place of God. If we allow it to do that then we’ve just made the church into an idol and we’ll have trouble from then on out until we turn and repent. In addition to that, it doesn’t matter so much what kind, type or denomination the church is. If we make an idol out of any of them it’s all wrong and not part of God’s plan. The church is sort of like a school. We go to school to learn so hopefully at some point we’ll be able to venture out on our own and live our own victorious and successful lives, while using many of the things we’ve learned along the way. Don’t be or stay mad at the church. Rather, just be happy that you’re finally developing your own relationship with God and go on with Him from there. Some people never discover that and allow the church, or church organization, to be as an idol to them their entire physical lives. God Bless!

      P.S. Anything can become an idol to us if we allow it to come between us and our individual relationship with God, and most in the church won’t tell you that. Perhaps it’s because many don’t yet know or understand that themselves and hopefully it’s not because they (church leadership) see the church as a business proposition.

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  19. It was really refreshing to read this, good to know I’m not alone. I had a REALLY bad experience in a Assembly of God church about a year ago. Never have I been so hurt in my life.
    Went to a bible study at someone’s home who was in leadership. Many of the people in church leadership were there.
    They did the “hot seat” where you sit in a chair and people pray over you and ask the Holy Spirit what he saying. This evil woman who lead the group started saying, I had a eating disorder or that I was sexually abused. I would never find a husband because I disobedient to God. Among other hurtful things. I was never so humiliated in my life. I got up and walked out. Our pastor who was not there that night at the meeting called and asked me to come into his office. I sat down with him and he told me that he heard that I had a demon. Um.. no! You people are completely nuts and the ones with the problem.
    Definitely not the work of God but Satan.
    Wolves in sheeps clothing.

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    1. Wow, that is nutty but unfortunately not uncommon. I’ve been out for a few years and have never been more mentally healthy in all my life. I realize that being around that makes people mentally and emotionally unstable. Thank God you had the strength and wisdom to leave, many people don’t.
      I have a few stories very similar to that one. I look back and realize that is abuse.

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  20. So much of what you wrote, are words I felt very much like myself. you said something that stood out to me, that reiterated what i knew already, which was “They taught we were the special generation that would usher in the return of Christ”. I have since learn’t there is no future physical return of Yeshua the Messiah, The readings of Matthew 24, is an emotional and visual experience with pictures in the mind,

    Yeshua actually appears on a cloud in a picture in your head, and some of the new testament writing is an emotional visual experience with your eye, you see as a seer. The bible is so mistranslated, in the new testament and some of the old aswell, that much of the message written in english, has nothing to do with what we should be experiencing. My beliefs are so different now.

    It’s hard for me because some of what the charasmatic / pentecostal movement taught I’ve actually seen and experienced as a true reality as a seer., such as things to do with Rick Joyner’s book The Final Quest to do with Jails we get put in with other people that we need to escape from.

    I don’t trust the the english translations of the bible or the churches, to give me true knowledge about el or yeshua the messiah. the world is a different place than what we’ve been told.

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  21. I absolutely relate to every single word you have said here. Thank you for sharing and letting the rest of us know we’re not alone! 🙂

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  22. January 20, 2023, old lady, 83, thinking of leaving charismania. Reading others’ experiences. Raised Baptist. Lord help us. Are we being deceived? I have sought the truth. The lord says we shall know the truth…………. Linda

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