Why I Left the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement

This is my story. I have spent 20 years of my life in the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement but something happened to me recently that caused me to walk away completely. I am writing this blog in hopes that if you stumble upon it that it will be a source of great comfort to you. It is a very disorienting thing to walk away from a long held belief and a system you have promoted and loved for many years. One of the greatest resources that helped me through this difficult time has been others sharing their stories and so I am compelled to share mine.

I have not walked away from my faith in Christ, only what I now consider false teaching and a system that is overtaken with false prophets and corruption.  I guess this has been a long time coming. Many times I would sit in church and hear the preacher say something and wonder, “Is that even biblical?” then I would wonder if I had a demon or an evil spirit of unbelief (welcome to Pentecostal thinking my friends). I was listening to Bethel worship, Hill songs, all the cutting edge worship.  I was a devoted follower of the Ramp, founded by Karen Wheaton featuring Perry stone (OCI ministries) Damon Thompson, Dutch Sheets the N.A.R crowd and many other famous ministers. Kansas City (IHOP), Morningstar Ministries and Bethel Redding are what I considered great men of God preaching the true gospel. That should give you a clear view of the people I was running with. Those ministries are considered heretical by many orthodox Christians…I had NO clue. When you are in a group think bubble you really cannot see other perspectives at all.  I have come to realize it was like living in a bomb shelter cut off from society.

I kept up to date on  things going on in the charismatic movement; Scandal after scandal with International House of Prayer (IHOP), Morning star, Hillsong ministries and the list goes on. It was a pattern, one that bothered me. One incident occurred when Judy Jacobs a famous TBN minister got up at the Ramp in a prideful arrogant tone and demanded the young kids at the Ramp (Youth Ministry)  dig down deep in their pockets to give money for an offering so Karen Wheaton could buy a Bentley! Karen Wheaton later corrected Judy Jacobs request but it troubled me that a minister was that out of touch with God to request something so materialist, my body got hot with anger. I could not believe this woman would manipulate teenagers out of what little money they had with zero shame. As I shared the incident  with other believers in righteous outrage,not one person said a word at that table, Not one. They looked at me like I just kicked a newborn baby off a bridge?!  like I had done something wrong? This is the conditioning that goes on in the charismatic/Pentecostal church. If you call out a minister on their poor or even criminal behavior and present facts to back up your claim they either ignore you all together or get mad as a hornet. They claim you are speaking out against the Lords anointed. It is a common practice to protect  corrupt ministers. Many believers have been deceived into thinking  if someone exposes a  false teacher they are literally fighting with God himself. The bible warns 17 times in the NT against wolves/false teachers but ministers selectively pick feel good scriptures and ignore others; you know, the ones that bring them under scrutiny or accountability .Sadly most Christians don’t know bible scripture so they  believe pretty much anything the preacher says.  In this movement ministers are worshiped like infallible gods above reproach.  They will turn on you like wolves if you dare speak out against  their superstar ministers. You will be harshly snubbed. Love is a scarce commodity to find in churches and I’ve sat in them for 21 years….scarce.  You are  considered judgmental, divisive and condemned for stirring up dissension among the brethren which is them taking scripture completely out of context to stay unaccountable, complacent and feeling good about their extreme idol worship.  You learn to keep your opposing views to yourself. Total conformity is required to fit in although it is unspoken, everyone knows it.

I became increasingly aware that the preachers I was listening to used bible scriptures here and there but mainly they talked of their own experiences and turned it into doctrine. It sounds good but not God is the way I would describe it. It strays far from biblical teaching but yet it is wrapped in Christian language. It is so subtle that it is unrecognizable to the biblically ignorant and undiscerning. There was constant talk of apostles and prophets that God was raising up in these last days. How God was going to send a great revival which didn’t make sense to me because the bible taught of a great apostasy the polar opposite. They taught  we were the special generation that would usher in the return of Christ. I began to notice a theme; I was all about US and not God. It put an enormous focus on the gifts of the spirit such as speaking in tongues/prophecy and how we were the Elijah generation and we would walk in signs and wonders and how that would cause this great revival. There is an air of spiritual elitism about it.  Once we were all encouraged to speak in tongues and shout out our cities name as claimed territory In the name of Jesus.  As I was screaming my babbling prayers  and becoming exhausted doing it I stopped to look around and thought to myself, “So we can just stand here and scream and God does what we say?”  I look back on that moment and believe God was waking me up to the great delusion I was in. God was treated like a genie in a bottle many times in church services.  I could get a fresh prophetic word every Sunday at the altar as people prayed for me.  I learned to live from word to word and conference to conference, it was a spiritual high I was chasing. I’m certain at one point I was pursuing God but it became an idol itself.  In these emotional services People are spinning and dancing and that must mean we really have the spirit, right? I find that so laughable now to look at people who are expressional during worship as a definitive sign that God is moving. I now know it is manufactured, carnal and the tool Satan is using to raise up false converts with zero knowledge of the Word. I have also noticed music is a main attraction in church; It has replace bible studies.  Our Church actually phased out Sunday morning bible studies and the Wednesday night ones were more secular than anything,  I would call it positive philosophy. All I know is the Pentecostal church as undergone some big changes since I first began and none of them are helping people learn bible Scripture or to understand verses in context.

I am so grateful that I read the NT when I came to know the Lord it helped me to stay grounded and ultimately saved me from this movement. Through the years I didn’t buy into many of the man-made traditions we had adopted like falling on the floor or thinking one had to speak in tongues to have the Holy Spirit nonetheless I went along with it because I didn’t think it was hurting anyone. I see now I was very wrong. To tell someone they don’t have the Holy Ghost if they don’t speak in tongues sets people up to speak in fake tongues or doubt their salvation.  I read most of the Old Testament but always got stuck in the book of Jerimiah. I would allow time to pass and felt I had to start all over again. Maybe if I had read it I would have understood how God views false lying prophets and a corrupt priest which brings me to my point, false prophets and corrupt ministers leading many astray has become a staple in the charismatic movement that I could no longer ignore or be a part of with a clear conscious.

As I sat in church all these years I couldn’t help but become bored with hours of worship, music, lights, TV cameras and pure emotional hype.  I guess that meant we were really reaching the world with the gospel, I mean we were televised, right?  The worship leader is always pushing you or manipulating the crowd to be more expressive but it seemed  so contrived like the more exuberant the crowd was the more validated the worship leader felt in doing God’s work. It  looked and felt like a big show. I was 21 years old when I truly came to know Christ and now I am 40 and let me tell you this stuff gets old. I was hearing 20 years ago how special MY generation was. Generation X marks the spot was the trending evangelical phrase in those days. How God had great and mighty plans for my generation and how he was going to use us in a MIGHTY way. Let me tell you what type of disillusionment that sets a young person up for. It is so unbalanced an sends people out on wild goose chases they may NEVER come back from. Its this  idea that some magical  epic event will transpire in the distant future and THEN you will have “arrived” into your destiny moment. Complete garbage. It is an  out of balance, unbiblical view of being a disciple of Christ.  Knowing Christ and  Living a life simply following the precepts of the bible are more than enough. I don’t need to move to a foreign country as a missionary to be mightily used of God or stand behind a pulpit. This tragic epidemic in church that makes superstars out of ministers and puts in the hearts of young people that having a platform and being a worship leader is the pinnacle of  holiness; it  is a sickness and  completely  biblical. It is a Christian Hollywood full of idols and idolatry and it is rampant in these evangelical circles.

Oh yes, we were always ALMOST THERE, wherever there was. God was ABOUT to do something amazing in our mist. I didn’t know if I could possibly  sit in another “Amost there, about to happen moments” at church it was starting to get under my skin. In fact many things began to bother me in this chaotic movement.  We were all conference junkies running to whatever new “move of God” Charisma magazine was publishing that month. I mean we were God chasers after all, soooo benevolent we were in great pursuit of God.  Nothing says,  “I  love you Jesus” l like paying big bucks for the T-shirt of our favorite superstar minister’s new catch phrase and getting a bonus CD half off. What a bargain! We get to validate his false prophecies and bad theology and they get our money…win, win?

The straw that broke the camel’s back was when a super  Christian guy I was dating and who had become deeply imbedded in this movement broke up with me because God told him too. I told him that did not line up with scripture but he assured me God had spoken to him. Mind you he left me sitting in a worship service for 45 minutes to chat with another girl that he ended up dating weeks later. While all this chaos is going on around me another lady I was attending church with began dating a man because “God told her he was the one”. They were engaged within a month and within two months had broken off their engagement because God apparently spoke to her again and told her  ” No “. Another lady received a prophecy at the age of 38 saying she was to have a child out of her womb, she was now 52 and could not understand what was going on. These three simultaneous events sent me running back to my bible.

I was very hurt that someone deceived me and tagged Gods name to it. The fact that it did not line up with Gods word or his Character made me even more angry. I saw so many people using Gods name in the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement it is dizzying. All the false prophetic words I have heard through the years and was still hearing.  all these  people saying God told them this and that. Most of these people didn’t even know the word much less if God was speaking. Many times there was no biblical backing for their claims.  I prayed,  “God I know how I feel about lying prophets and people using your name but how do you feel about it?” I opened the bible and read Jerimiah, bingo! Now I know God. These men prophesy lies and the people imagine vain things. It was like scales fell off my eyes and I was free. I always thought the verse in 2 Thessalonians 2:11 was peculiar.  God sent a strong delusion upon them so that they should believe the lie because they loved not the truth. When I read that it was like I saw it for the first time, I mean truly understood it.  Your word is TRUTH God. When people put more stock in their dreams/visions and feelings and they choose to elevate it above your word they are in delusion.

God why was I  deceived? I loved church fellowship and dressing up for church. I loved my friends but my heart was far from God. I was living in perpetual sin and stuck in a cycle. I was going through the motions. I remember being in a church service with my hands raised singing a love song to God and realizing I was so lost. Hands raised utterly disconnected from God. I looked so holy I’m sure in my Sunday best. In that moment I said God I’m singing these words to you but I don’t mean it; help me to mean it And he did. I believe it was a culmination of things that brought me to truth. Being hurt, seeing confusion in the life of my friends lead me back to God.  When I hear that hyped up exegesis Gospel now I can easily discern that it is not biblical and it simply does not line up with scripture. If we truly belong to God he will lead us out. The Evangelical Church as a whole is in great delusion. I would describe the modern church as apostate and I have left the harlot church system in my rear view.

I’m grateful for my experiences and grew in the Pentecostal church regardless of the imperfections. I  have a storehouse full of wonderful memories but it has strayed like a boat without a compass; ever so subtle without even realizing it. The erroneous Seven Mountain Mandate and New Apostolic Reformation doctrines have flooded in.  It sounds so Godly no one has stopped to examine weather it lines up with doctrine. What once nurtured my innocent soul began feeding it imitation meat and I ended up in darkness and  delusion. I still believe in miracles, the gifts of the spirit and the Word of God. I still pray but I’ve come to understand we must hold fast what is good and the greatest testimony is simply obeying His word regardless of the goosebumps.

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113 thoughts on “Why I Left the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement

  1. Congratulations on escaping the apostasy. May God lead you on, for there is much more to come. I speak from experience. This is the beginning of a wonderful journey.

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    1. Praise YHWH. As you know YHWH God is a covenant God. He told Israel if you do this (obey). I left and I follow Torah. I love Torah , love Sabbath worship and only He is Glorified. Jesus is pulling a lot of out. I never fit in when I tried to be super spiritual and faked most of the time. I am happy for you and He will keep through everything. Shalom.

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    2. It’s not an apostasy in toto. Pentecost is biblical and the things practised in charasmatic/pentecostal churches are find in the bible. Mostly. But…being human as we are fleshly and manipulative people take centre stage and are empowered by congregations who prefer to be led rather than find maturity. However, this is the same in very many churches of a more traditional nature.

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      1. Well Jo-Ann I fellowship with other like minded believers who have also left the corrupt system. (There seem to be a lot) it is sporadic. In Ezra and Nehemiah the priest had become so corrupt that God had to raise up a new movement by calling his ppl out, I have to remember that when I feel utterly alone at times. I have been invited to a park this Sunday for fellowship with other believers so I’m more interested in grass root movements and genuine fellowship rather than pseudo-relationships once/twice a week. It takes a while to shake off the guilt and conditioning of attending church every Sunday. (That alone took months) I’m still very much in the process of healing. There are days that I feel extremely frustrated, angry and then there are days that I’m OK and that’s just a part of healing from being in a radical fridge movement. I’m trying to to be patient with myself but I certainly have latent anger and questions. I probably need to write more soon because I KNOW the spectrum of feelings that go along with leaving. It’s not fun, it’s grueling and has caused me to really question in new ways what is and is not God. Thank you for that question. Please feel free to share your own story if you need too. There are wonderful people on this newsfeed.

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      1. Wow. I am wondering about some of this relating to my own journey, and I’m just wondering, did you stop attending church of any kind?
        Because you said “I would describe the modern church as apostate and I have left the harlot church system in my rear view.”
        Or what denomination etc do you congregate with?

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      2. I left the Charismanic movement for good. I have been attending a baptist bible study in someone’s home and small home groups. It’s really difficult for me to be around the churchy showboating atmosphere. I feel burn out on it and I think that’s normal. It really makes my skin crawl to hear the type of preaching I sat under for so long. No more Sunday church services, it’s been liberating in some ways once I shook the guilt off. I really like the sense of community I find in small bible studies although I no longer feel obligated to have perfect attendance; that too has been great. I look back and I remember being distracted/overwhelmed by loud music and all the shouting in my church. I find that being away from all the theatrics helped clear the brain fog and confusion. I began to draw away in solitude for a season. Hiking, talking to God. Quiet times w/ Him. It’s in those moments I felt closer to God than screaming my lungs out in a church. That’s my journey for now. Hope that helps and best wishes on your journey as well.

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      3. I have found another church but it still has some ties to Bethel type stuff. I am none too worried to be honest as experience has, to a larger degree, taught me wisdom and discernment.

        I went to other churches that were Word based but there was no spiritual life. Truth is, we’re never going to find that perfect church. Just the one that suits will do me.

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      4. I live in a small town called wolseley. Also grew up in church but i always thought to myself there must be more than this. Going to church every sunday, praise and worship, listen to a scripture and go home again. Greet believers at church. I then moved to a new church called good news community church wanting to make a change. There we started studying scripture but the practice was the same as my previous church. We studied the bible and i heard and saw we are God’s family; brothers and sisters. Gods household. The body of christ. I started asking questions like why are we so formal with eachother since Jesus calls us his family and not spiritual family. We are actually eternal family. Thoughts started running through my mind if we have one father that means we are brothers and sisters. Why are we putting a title and saying sr. joanne, br. John etc. Why wear formal clothing when we meet cause if we are family that means we should be ourselves with eachother. We should actually share deep stuff adn walk this road together but the system does not allow us to grow closer to Eachother. Share our lives with eachother. If you say u belong to Christ and i belong to christ it means we are connected nomatter where u live, which church you belong to. But i realized people only. We all belong tp eachother. But these days if you are not in the same church you dont really belong to me. In Acts the believers were connected to eachother. Paul wrote to all the believers in one town. They belonged to eachother for the mere fact that they follow christ nothing else just that. I really long for our eyes to open as believers. I long for that unity which jesus talks about in john 17 when he prays to God the father.

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  2. I am sorry for all your bad experiences. I am a non-denominational evangelist who simply calls himself a New Testament Christian. Charismatic used to be an OK word, though it sounded like a disease to me. The movement has morphed into something unrecognizable from what it was years ago. Unfortunately, anything that has truth will be counterfeited and corrupted – witness the first century church. That extends to many of the anti-charismatic teachers as well whose exegesis is mind-boggling in its contextual dishonesty. The fact is, we need to be Bible-based and not blown about by every wind of doctrine. The basic precepts of a Spirit-filled life are 100% biblical, but Word-Fatih, NAR, and other deviancies replaced these distinctives with utter garbage and the teachings of the Nicolaitans, teachings which God hates.. It is important never to throw out the baby with the bathwater. While I refuse to listen to any of the major media ministries anymore, that does not sour me on the incredible level of intimacy I have with God every day – his prophetic word, and praying in the Spirit. As a minister, I fellowship with many others, and believe me, I would never trade what God has graciously given to me through the Baptism in the Holy Spirit with the Presbyterians and others whose Orthodoxy is cold and aloof. I wish you well and encourage you to be intimate with Christ every day. Take the fish and spit out the bones. God bless!

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    1. I certainly agree with you and sounds like puresola does too. I left the CC in 81to go to an AOG church for five years. Some of the most intense growing up spiritually years of my life. I realized that just because it was a Protestant church didn’t make it scriptural The pastor was awful, preached more from Robt Schneller than scripture and when my husband and I questioned some of his so called God is leading our church this way ( as in going to yung ghi cho’s church in Korea to learn how to pray) cell groups, (communism)
      He taught how beneficial they were( to control the people). We learned then that most churches were going further and further from God’s written word. We who want to follow the true God of the Bible will be lead by the Holy Spirit. And we will know God and worship him in Spirit and in truth. Thank you we are all finding each other I believe because the Holy Spirit
      Wants us to. To encourage each other and pray for each other

      God bless you all

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    2. It is not the baby and bath water, what is a baby doing in the filthy water in the first place. Why claim that there is some light in darkness when we know better. Why is putting bones in our mouths to spit out even considered an option. Leave Egypt, leave the baggage and go into the desert. Flee the hirelings and the organized mess that only wants converts to their denomination.

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  3. I am praising God for his mighty deliverance of you from the darkness you have been immersed in! For forty years I have argued against and resisted all things charismatic. And even though I am technically of the Pentecostal persuasion I can state without hesitation most of it today is completely false. I find myself at odds with any church or denomination that places external manifestation above the Word of God.

    I pray the Lord will guide you and strengthen you as you seek Him!

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      1. Mark G,please reread my statement. I stated that my contention is with churches or denominations that place external manifestations ABOVE Gods word. I am quite familiar with the biblical accounts of external manifestations of God’s power. No thinking Christian could or should attempt to dispute them. They are irrefutable to the believer.

        I am firm in my belief that God is still doing wonderful and miraculous things today. I am just as firm in my beliefs that the majority of what passes for the miraculous today is patently false. If you believe otherwise that is your prerogative. My beliefs are based upon 40 years of exposure to the deception the OP writes about. YMMV

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  4. What a wonderful summary of how God has been leading you into His truth and light. May the Lord continue to lead and guide you by His Word. As an apologist for 26+ years I have publicly addressed many of these issues and this link will take you to a section of an Index on the ministry web site where many of these personalities and their ‘ministries’ are the ‘subject matter. This is the link

    http://www.takeheed.info/index-for-assorted-articles/charismatic-type-issues/

    Warm greetings in Christ

    Cecil Andrews
    ‘Take Heed’ Ministries
    Northern Ireland
    http://www.takeheed.info

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      1. Neither do I. I feel I made that clear in the conclusion. I feel John MacArthur’s point of view is more biblically accurate and very on point about this movement.

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  5. What a great article. I have so many friends lost in these same easily disproveable lies…if only they would pick up a Bible and study it for themselves. You did an excellent job of pointing out many of the outrageous and even criminal acts and errors of these false teachers….yet so few want to hear it. They exchange the truth of God with lies, and they love those lies because they flatter and promise material blessings – which only seem to come to the leaders. I just so happen to read this from Acts 20, today:
    “For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.”
    ‭‭Acts‬ ‭20:29-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬
    http://bible.com/1/act.20.29-32.kjv

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    1. ….Last thought: the charasmatics seem to think that falling on the floor and flailing like a fool, or giving some silly, vain super-positive “prophecy” solely designed to flatter the hearer and build up the recipient in the flesh, is the power of God. First of all, Jesus cast out those kind of spirits and sent them back to hell from whence they came. He didn’t put them in people. Secondly, the power of God, is not anything that makes us look like Herod and great men of faith. It is simply this:
      “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
      ‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬
      http://bible.com/1/rom.1.16.kjv

      A short article explains that can be found here:

      http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2015/02/26/greater-works-than-these-shall-he-us-do-what-is-the-meaning-of-this-scripture

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      1. Hi, I have a question. When you say “when people put more stock in their dreams/visions and feelings and they choose to elevate it above your word they are in delusion”, do you mean like these dreams/visions and feelings that are elevated above God’s word are not in line with Him?

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      2. . That’s a great question, In that statement I’m saying we should not elevate our experiences above scripture. Any dream/vision not lining up with the word should be cast aside as well. Delusion happens when we elevate those experiences above the word of God. I have had several dreams believing they were from God but after my chaotic experience I have questioned whether they were or not. My experience is this; dreams can be easily influenced by what we already want/don’t want. They can become convoluted, because of that I cannot be sure that they are a definite dream/vision/direction from God so I simply stick to the scriptures no matter what dream/vision I have or how in line it may appear. The surest route is sola scriptura. (scripture alone) That was a hard lesson I learned this year. that is my understanding of the word.

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      3. Cheryl – is this question for me or the lady who wrote this article? I don’t place much trust in dreams and visions because sometimes they are good and sometimes they are dark. Satan seems to be able to infiltrate our dreams at times. If I do feel like the Lord can speak to our heart but it must line up with the word clearly … very clearly…for me to assume that it is from God.

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      1. Words from an old Hymn: “My hope is built on nothing less than Jesus Blood and Righteousness. I dare not trust the sweetest frame, but wholly lean on Jesus’ name. Chorus: On Christ the Solid Rock I stand, – all other ground is sinking sand — all other ground is sinking sand.”

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  6. Thank you, thank you, thank you! I am not alone!

    Your testimony is nearly identical to mine. I actually have a 3-4 page testimony on my Facebook which was written by my friend on her blog (Growing4life.net) “Changed Lives”. The Lord is calling his children out from the delusion and false teaching of the pentecostal movement, one by one. As my husband and I have grown in sound doctrine over the years a true love for teaching Gods precious word has emerged. In fact, we teach against these false teachers, their heresy and Kool-aid being drunk by the masses. The sad fact is so many within our churches today often love these hyper-emotional camps, such as; Bethel, IHOP, Christine Caine (from Propel) Graham Cooke, Mike Bickle, Rick Joyner, Peter Wagner and all the so called self proclaimed prophets and apostles, etc. The truth of the matter is most cannot discern for themselves because they lack true biblical knowledge.

    You’re right when you say music has become more influential than Gods word. We see it across the nation just look at Hillsong! consumed and driven by manipulate. Goal of these circles, simple; stir up the atmosphere so we can have some spiritual encounter! which is false. A true encounter of a spiritual kind (Angels, Holy Spirit) would leave you trembling, speechless and afraid for your very life. Consider Zachariah in the temple in the presence of Gabriel. An encounter with the living God would probably leave you with a limp. Consider Jacob who wrestled with God. What about Saul of Tarsus on the way to Damascus? He was never the same physically after having a living encounter with Christ! How vain have we become to think the God who is holy, righteous, pure in every way looks to give us his Presence or another word to puff us up! These are completely outside of his written word. His word is enough for us. It is inerrant, sufficient, sharper than any two-edged sword even dividing between joint and marrow. It discerns the intentions of the heart. Hebrews 4:12.

    Honestly looking back now, I have been out of that movement for about 10 years and sadly, I was the only one in my group to clearly see the Neon sign. How clear the repetitive cycle in which I was in much like a Merry-go-round.We were conference junkies, just looking for the next spiritual high(like a drug) Sadly, you always need more, the spiritual high never last long enough. Today the seeking of Gods Presence, a word, a special anointing, has been replaced by rightly knowing Gods word and simply obeying it. It’s unexplainable as you cannot explain it. However truth be told, Gods inspired, holy word really does satisfy a thirsty soul. I have found him and his word to be more than enough. We are told in 2 Corn. 5:7 we are to live by faith and not by sight. Feelings, such as as our emotions; within the heart are warned by Jeremiah the prophet in the book of Jer: 17:9 that, “the heart is wicked beyond cure and desperately sick!”, warning to the church, Do not ever follow your hearts inclinations! It will lead you astray faster than you can blink your eyes! and it will lead you into much folly. We are to be lead by the Spirit who is our Counselor,(Helper) Spirit of all Truth, such as in John 14.

    The Holy Spirit gives us the understanding of Gods word and prepares the child of God for works of service and sanctifies the saint ( a work only the Spirit can do!). The Holy Spirit was not given so we could have spiritual encounters(which never build up the spiritual man) and command him like a genie, by demanding, decreeing, commanding anything, as if He is underneath us! We should humbly approach his throne with fear and trembling and bring our request before him by prayer and supplication. Sadly many live like Romans 3:18″ There is no fear of God before their eyes”. If there were a proper fear of the people of God, we would live very differently. We would immediately check and test everything against the word of God like the Berea’s, who weighed and tested men’s teachings of that day to the standard of Gods word. When there is a right fear of our great and awesome God it keeps us in check. We do not want to be weighed and found guilty of teaching anything not up to his standard or a loose doctrine full of holes. Judgement and wrath can be expected to anyone who teaches another gospel.

    We are not the Spirit’s equal but rather, nothing more than dust. We are sinful, arrogant and yes, full of pride. We do not ever tell the Spirit what he must do in our lives because we deem it so. How presumptuous, and yet I was. Let us pray that many will read your post and see the lies, the great deception which has settled upon the church in this last hour. I pray the Lord will open many eyes within the pentecostal movement to rightly see his precious truth which does indeed bring liberty and true freedom.

    Loved your post and I cannot thank you enough for posting it!

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    1. I don’t know how y’all can lump Rick Joyner’s ministry into all this. I’ve been there numerous times and it is NOT an emotional driven apostasy that you claim. In fact, I have learned so much about the bible that I was never taught as a child in the Baptist church that it is amazing! And before you claim I have been blinded, I’ve only been saved since 2012 and have RUN out the door of churches whose theology does not line up with the Word of God. I’m one of the most sceptical people you will ever meet. I have also been to Judy Jacob’s church, have been to Israel with her, her husband and Perry Stone and have never witnessed anything other than Biblical teaching from any of them. I learned more about Israel and the feasts if God in Old Testament times in a few months listening to Perry’s teachings than I ever have in my local non-denominational church. I also have been to the Ramp and have stayed there for a week of summer intensive ministry training. I’ve personally spoken with her on many occasions. Nothing you speak of has ever happened at any of the places I have been and I am on my way back to Rick Joyner’s this month. FYI, t-shirts are not sold at Judy’s or Rick’s place. Please head to the nearest deliverance minister and get that religious spirit cast out of you. For me, Jesus is my King!

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      1. This is why I mentioned Rick Joyner. Mike bickle said that prophets were operating at at 70-80% accuracy rate? Obvious lie according to scripture. Todd Bentley during this was in a sexual affair w/ a woman in the ministry. He abandoned his wife and 2 kids to be with her. They were prayed for, the mistress and Bentley then given a platform to continue in ministry two weeks later. THATS why I have zero respect for these false lying so called prophets https://youtu.be/iVcXMkSrHEQ

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    1. That makes me laugh, yesssss it was soooooo LONG!! I’ve gone though many different emotions over it. Currently it turns my stomach and makes me want to smack my friends into reality. The great thing is NOW I’m able to articulate exactly why its terrible theology. Its strong delusion and it will only become MORE apostate and MORE evident. Many will come out and when they do; they will find us waiting here with answers.

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  7. Thank you for sharing. I live in Bangkok and most churches are like this. There is much Bible illiteracy here. So I always preach expositionally just like Dallas Theological Seminary taught me too

    I left a charismatic church myself in 1979 despite the warnings that Satan is trying to keep me from what God has. They believed you could lose your salvation too. It was scary making the decision to leave but leaving and going back to my Bible church was like going from desert to oasis.
    Thank you for sharing this.

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    1. Hi, I’m Lazarus Chetty, from Cape Town, South Africa. I pastor a church and place workers in needy countries. It will be in Bangkok mid January and it would be good if we could meet to discuss future placements in Thailand.
      You may email me on lazchetty@gmail.com. Blessings

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    1. John MacArthur is a committed Calvinist who vehemently holds to the cessationist view. Which is why he is forced to accept the workings of the Holy Spirit in scripture, those strange goings which opponents thought were of the devil or threatened their own religious viewpoints.

      MacArthur has valid points. Most definately. But his rage against Charismatics was bordering on the psychotic.

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  8. Hey Puresola!

    I am left speechless after reading this. Your story and my story are very similar. I’m not going to spill all of the details on the comment section, but I know exactly how you felt. I was in the Air Force living in Germany when God got a grip of my heart through an amazing family who partnered with The Navigators. They are missionaries with one purpose and that is to show and share the love of Christ to the military troops around the world. Long story short, my life was turned completely around.

    Discipleship is the keystone that is missing in our churches. Jesus Christ is the Cornerstone that holds the structure altogether. You need both. Anyways, you know this. 🙂 Thanks for sharing your story and I look forward to reading more of your posts in the future. Stay true!

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  9. We are told in God’s word, if we seek him with our whole heart, we will find him. Sometimes HE is hidden even within the church, but a heart that truly desires TRUTH and real intimacy with the Spirit will find it just as you have because God has said so! I am having my own issues with “church”. I am not part of this movement and never have been, but it’s the system of the church that feels broken and like a formula to me. I am a person that will always be drawn to the authentic and when my own faith started to feel like I was going through the motions, I had to take a step back…again, like you and so many others…I am not stepping away from GOD, I am stepping away from the establishment that calls itself the church. I am the church, and while I do want to seek out fellowship with others as this too is a Biblical principal and we are told not to forsake it, I can’t help but to feel lost as where to go next. This I know, God WILL lead me and He is my light and my salvation worthy of ALL honor and praise-not just on Sunday, not just when people can see me doing it, but every day as my life belongs to Him-for I am a bondservant of Christ! Bless you as you too continue to seek His face!

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  10. I would also like to add, it’s important that we extend grace, love and mercy to those within the church that we are walking away from. Even more so, that we keep lifting all of it up to the Lord in prayer and that He would expose any lies that live within the church as well as our own hearts. God’s peace and love-

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  11. Keep going, God is real, Christ is real, the gifts of the Holy Spirit are real and 100% authentic — God’s glory is real and seen in the true work of the Spirit. Christ is coming, be in His work!

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  12. My 2cents, I do understand what you have gone through, that is why we are to read our word to know what is biblical or not.
    One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is discernment. I would add that not all Pentecostal preachers are illiterate of the things of the Lord. Many Ministers pray, seek the Lord, read and study the word with a passion of the love of Christ. They do as the bible says to feed the flock not scatter bring them in. Care for them. (Jeremiah, Ezekiel)
    The problem is instead of reading our word spending time in prayer finding a church were the bible is preached, where Jesus is invited into every day and service, we run after the next new thing., cd’s conferences, newest book, looking to that special speaker.
    Trying to be fed on sweets instead of meat. Then blaming everyone else when we’re sick and spirituality unhealthy.
    Not all churches are alike and cannot be put into the same bag
    Thankyou to those who put Jesus first and do the job the Lord has called them to!

    Thank you.

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  13. I have been raised a Seventh Day Adventist all of my life. Contrary to what some people believe, our church is not a cult! We are Christians that worship on the seventh day of the week. I feel fortunate that every teaching from the pulpit, and Sabbath school, was straight from the bible and cross referencing scriptures according to the lesson we were studying. Everyone at our church always has their bible out so that they know where to seek the Lord. This is extremely important for young children. I’m so happy you have followed your gut on this one. I don’t believe any preacher should own five or six houses and have a private jet. That is not what God meant at all about abundance.

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    1. Sorry. It’s a cult, mixing faith and law to keep you saved. Only the blood of Jesus Christ saves. Confess with your mouth and believe with your heart, which will result in fruit.
      The law, as Colossians 2:14-16, is gone…nailed to the cross. And:
      Romans 2:
      “Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:”
      ‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:20-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬
      http://bible.com/1/rom.3.20-22.kjv

      Galatians 2:
      “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”
      ‭‭Galatians‬ ‭2:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬
      http://bible.com/1/gal.2.21.kjv

      Galatians 3:
      “O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?”
      ‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬
      http://bible.com/1/gal.3.1-3.kjv

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  14. My wife left me after becoming involved with this movement. She had a “new revelation” which trumped the Bible. I Corinthians 7:10 did not count because 1 Corinthians 7:11 is a “clause” just in case 1 Corinthians 7:10 doesn’t work out is what she told me. She took away two step children I raised and love dearly and cut them off from all contact with me. She is in deep and after a year I don’t even know where she lives. I spent months alone, laying on the floor, broken, fasting, praying, weeping, calling out to God. I couldn’t break the hold it had on her. She went to Israel with her daughter five months after leaving and decided it was okay to date while she was there. This broke me and I decided to start living again too. I picked myself up and eventually found someone wonderful. Of course now I am a sinner….I failed because “God wasn’t enough”. She tells me I will go straight to hell. Maybe….I can only pray that God keeps me until I can get everything right. Many Christian friends who were sympathetic turned their back when I couldn’t stand being alone anymore. Some…not all. They heaped guilt and that strained my relationship with God….The angry watchmen remind me of how unworthy I am now. This movement….it destroys. She lost the two kids….they decide to go live with their biological father. I prayed for that…truly….thank God.

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    1. Your story is more common than you know. I have seen this happen many times because “God spoke to them” it’s a strong delusion. I have seen false prophetic words destroy people’s lives. I’m heartbroken to hear that. Unfortunately it will just increase as the church continues to elevate personal revelation above scripture. That’s why it is so important to share our stories. That is what Thess. 2:11 is talking about. A strong delusion falls on them because they don’t love the truth. His word is the Truth. They love the Christian hype, self-importance of ministry, their calling, and their own desires. I encourage you to set healthy boundaries with those who would heap guilt upon you for your life choices. Seek out people who will be a support system until you can get stronger; Until their words have no influence over you. I had to break away from ALL my church friends to get clarity. The fog will clear eventually. Your wife was decieved by a cult. It’s so devastating. Take time to heal and be kind to yourself. A girl with a similar story. God bless https://youtu.be/sJDgZg7H35c

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  15. Wow Puresola… this was my story.
    I thank God for those who prayed me out of my oblivion, and I begun to seek God myself. I was so wounded, mistrusting, broken and broke.
    God continues to give me beauty for ashes, strength and grace to forgive.

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  16. It is a common problem…..and its sad to see that there seems to be more “witnessing” to people who are already in “church” ministries like WOF, like Pentecostal, like Charismatic, even problems with mainline denominations like the SBC, because people are mixing up “your judging me” with when Biblical correction is applied in situations and circumstances.

    In the end, it is always the misinterpretation of the Bible. There is too much emphasis on “business pragmatics”, with marketing, with church growth movements, with “self-help” emphasis in churches today.

    You are all invited to participate…..to “question the assumptions”……

    http://www.randywhiteministries.org/

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  17. not all pentecostal/evangelical churches are like this, mine certainly aint,. ive approached my pastor on several disagreements ive had with him n hes explanation of it was satisfactory, we have council members so if the pastor is out of order we report to them and then it gets sorted. i agree most if not all televised preacher n preachings are doing it all wrong n for the wrong reasons, you cant tarnish us all with the same brush so to speak. we certainly dont dance at worship songs, and arnt forced to be made to feel guilty about handing over any money, we also have audit meeting s to say were all the money has been spent. mostly on evangelising. i live in the uk dont no were you r from, i mean no disrespect by my post, Gods work is wonderous, but these are the ends times so we must be on the lookout, God bless

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  18. Please ! Please ! Go read this book( the Great Controversy) written by E.G. White.
    Go to YouTube and listen, you will be amazed, please, do this for your own benefit

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      1. I’m not an Adventist although I know decent people who are. Ellen white is a proven false prophet and I have no desire to follow a denomination who promotes them. I know someone in my feed sent me a link to look through. I didn’t leave a cult to be indoctrinated by another. I’m fully awake. Thanks

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  19. Praise God…another life freed from that bondage from hell. My testimony is so very similar to yours.
    I looked up to people like Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Copeland, etc. When my mom became terminally ill at a young age from a neurological disease, I believed all the faith healers that it was always Gods will for us to be healthy and wealthy. We just had to always speak ” faith filled” words, and not doubt.
    The church we attended at the time had people like Rodney Howard Brown, and his ilk. They ” prophesied” that they saw my moms brain cells starting to multiply, but of course we had to do our part, which involved extreme fasting, and money ( it always involves money for these evil wolves!). When” prophesies” and ” words of knowledge” didnt come to pass, it was blamed on some great sin in our family. God used this time to begin opening my eyes to the truth.

    I began seeing some very strange disturbing manifestations during our services where people were flopping all over each other, going into trances, acting like they were giving birth, making animal noises, and on occasion even rolling out of their clothes. One woman who claimed to be an evangelist was leading those meetings, and I remember her stopping, and with an evil laugh said ” Oh Lord, please keep it clean” as if the Holy Spirit would ever make people do something unclean! I stormed out and have never been back.

    It still took me time to fully come out of this. Part of it was my unwillingness to even acknowledge that I could have been so deceived. I can honestly say it felt like the bottom dropped from under me, and I didnt know what to believe anymore. Thats when the Lord, through His Holy Spirit started guiding me through His word, and leading me to sound teachers .

    God has been so good and so gracious to me…I don’t deserve any of it! The deception is so clear now…it upsets me to see so many still trapped in this, and unwilling to see the truth!

    God bless you for writing your testimony. I look forward to your next post!

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  20. The trouble all starts because God never intended for the Body of Christ to be maintained as a business. There is no Scriptural reference to any New Testament employment in the Gospel. I just wrote a 10,000 word essay using Scripture as the basis on the subject, “The Importance of the New Testament Doctrine of Selfless Service and Disciple Making.”

    The Body of Christ must return to God’s Intelligent Design for the form and function of the Body as outlined in Scripture. We must REPENT for turning God’s people into a business opportunity. We must be RESTORED to God’s Intelligent Design for the form and function of the Body of Christ. We will then undergo true REVIVAL, not some emotional gimmick. Then, we will once again be RELEVANT in this lost and dying world.

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  21. Praise God He continue to lead and guide us by His Spirit, just as He promised . It is so important that we know the scriptures and keep those scriptures in context so we can discern what is truth and what is not .
    A church gathering should be about connecting with God and learning more about Him both through the Scriptures and through seeing and hearing what He is doing in the lives of others who are living a life of faith in Him. It’s about praising Him, giving thanks to Him, and rejoicing in the hope/ assurance of our salvation through Jesus’ life, sacrifice and resurrection power, and desiring to walk ever closer with Him to know Him better and to bring glory to His name.
    All Jesus wants of us is to walk with Him, to grow in the joy and realisation of His amazing love for us, and then we will obey because of our relationship with Him – and He actually gives us the ability and desire to do it . The Christian life is not about programs, it is about loving God and loving others (one another, neighbours, enemies) because we love Him and His love flows through us for others .
    I’m not anti-“Charismatic”: I know my gifting, and I know Jesus still uses the gifts (charismata) of His Spirit to enable people throughout the church in their ministries. Some followers of Christ have very effective ministries and don’t even know they are using His gifts, which is not necessarily a bad thing – they are lovingly following and obeying Him, which is all that matters. It’s certainly better than the hype, spectacle, idolatry and abuse of power that follows some prominent “gifted” individuals. I would prefer a greater emphasis on the FRUIT of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control) as evidence of a follower of Jesus than an emphasis on the gifts of the Spirit. One thing I have observed, is that the truly godly ministers are not proud and self-seeking but humble before God, honest, and fearlessly devoted to Him and His truth, and their joy and desire is to obey Him, introduce others to Him, and give all the glory to Him .
    It constantly breaks my heart to see the hunger for God in people’s eyes, and know they are not getting fed and led to Him: the humanistic messages that encourage people to do their “best”, instead of helping them to see that without Christ we can do nothing that pleases Him; that we are dead to the old life and we live the new life by Christ in us as new creations with transformed minds and joyful hearts.
    For many years I have been concerned about the hype and display of “worship” which focuses on us and what we ‘get’ as Christians, instead of on the Lord from whom all blessings originate; focuses on the great music regardless of the accuracy of the lyrics; focuses on the loud, concert-like atmosphere and light show that leaves the majority of the congregation as spectators rather than shepherding them to the throne of God – the almighty, loving, holy, pure and just Judge, Saviour, and Father where they can stand in wonder, kneel is repentance and awe, burst with joy, or just be enfolded in His arms.
    In genuinely trying to reach people, and turn away from the legalistic and judgemental actions and teachings of the past, the church has tried to attract people by becoming like the world and has frequently merely resulted in the creation of a new, more wholesome (hopefully) social club. But we are told to be in the world but not of it , that if we crave the things the world offers, we do not love God . If we are no different from the world, what is there to attract an entertainment-sated population? Our role is to draw people to Jesus .
    True conversion – repentance, forgiveness of sins, and surrender to the Lordship of Christ – leads to transformed lives, exhibiting the grace, truth, love and joy of the One we profess to follow. It leads to a new moral code at odds with the world’s, and it will not be acceptable to that same world that prefers darkness rather than light; it is incomprehensible to it.
    It isn’t and won’t be an easy life as a follower of Christ because there will always be conflict with the evil one, but Jesus is Lord of all, at whose name every knee will bow, and He has given us the victory over sin and the spiritual death it causes, through our faith in Him . Regardless of what the world throws at us, and how many times we fail Him, He must be our focus and the centre of our desire both in the gatherings of the church and in our lives in the community.
    Rejoice always! Pray continually! Give thanks in all circumstances!

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  22. Sorry you had bad experiences in Pentecostal circles. I’ve been a Christian 34 years, 25+ years in Ministry. I have seen many things, experienced much Church hurt and seen a lot of crap. Here is what I have learned.

    We need to be careful not to throw the baby out with the dirty bathwater. It’s like saying… Dr. Slaughter is a bad doctor, therefore ALL doctors are bad. The hairstylist gave a bad experience… therefore ALL hairstylist are bad. Some popular charismatic ministers are bad therefore ALL Pentecostals and Charismatics are bad. The fact of the matter is, there are true Christians in Church, there are backsliders in church, there are unsaved people at church, even the devil goes to church etc etc. Should Christian’s live the gospel? Absolutely! And shame on them for not doing so. Sometimes Christians offend somebody not meaning to do so. Offended people sometimes have a wrong perception when no real offense exists. When you go to Church, you should keep your eyes on Christ and get eyes off people. If it is a bad Church leave and find one that lives and preaches the word. And those who claim to be of God and are not will be held accountable. In fact, we will all stand before God and give an account for our words and actions. Pray for those who despitefully use you and persecute you Jesus said. Not minimizing real Church hurt as I have had much of it… but it’s best to let God heal our hearts and make sure we are walking right and loving others as we would want them to love us. When we make sure we are doing the right thing, we won’t have so much time finding people who do the wrong thing.

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    1. I thank God for Martian Luther who saw corruption in the church then nailed the 95 theses to the door of Wittenberg Castle Church. Back then he was called a heretic today he would be condemned for “touching the Lords anointed.” The apathy of believers is truly astonishing as I watch wolves overtake the churches. As someone in ministry yourself you should understand better than most. Wolves kill sheep and we must contend for the faith.

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      1. I never said we should not contend for the Faith nor do I refrain from exposing and rebuking error and sin when needed. I ain’t in apathy (sorry for my Southern-ese). My point was that it is wrong to condemn the entire Pentecostal and Charismatic Movement just because if some bad apples in it. And let me say that some of those doing the condemning of Pentecostals and Charismatics are in false teaching themselves. (Not saying you are, I don’t know you.) But It’s like the pot calling the kettle black. Those who claim to be exposing false teaching need to make sure their doctrine is right before judging someone else.

        I can tell you of some corrupt Baptist Churchs which have left the Faith and embraced the Homosexual agenda. I know Presbyterian minister who fell into adultery. I know a Reformed Pastor who claimed Jesus was coming on a certain date… and Jesus never came. This dude led a whole bunch of people astray which hurt many. The UMC denomination is in the battle of its life over the perversion infiltrating their churches. So, corruption is not just in the Pentecostal circles. Sin, False Doctrine, Fake Christians, deceived Christians abound in virtually every denomination and non-denomination to some degree. So the problem is not a movement but people who are either not saved, or they are deceived or sin abounds letting junk in. Where God’s people are and where the Holy Spirit is moving , the devil and his children are going to show up and cause trouble. Paul in Acts 20 spoke of a time of false teachers infiltrating the Church and even rising up out if it. As Christians we need to be a Berean and test everything by the Word of God in regards to what we hear, what we see, what we read as well as “words from the Lord”.

        This I know, that if your relationship with God is where it ought to be, you will be Christ like and God will straighten out your doctrine and get you on the right path. And you will make a difference for good in the kingdom of God. This is where I am in my walk with God.

         Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart Be acceptable in Your sight,O Lord, my strength and my Redeemer. – Psalm 19:14 NKJV

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      2. I’m not sure if I meant to post under your specific comment. that may have been intended for someone else. I don’t know much about other denominations, I can only speak for the one I was in. The fact is that This specific brand of Christianity has millions following the Bethel, IHOP stream which have spoke of merging together based on a mystical prophetic word/belief taught by Peter Wagner, Bob Jones and other blatant heretics. it reminds me of how the angel Gabriel appeared to Mohammad. Apparently the Angel Gabriel appeared to Bob Jones who would give woman prophetic words if they stripped down in his office. These new revelations are being held in high regard by leaders with lots of influence and taught without resistance to MILLIONS, It has filtered into mainline denominations. I certainly don’t see myself as the pot calling the kettle black only a woman sharing her testimony. I think when the leaders in one of the largest and fasting growing movements is the world are overtaken is foolish doctrine based on dreams/visions from shady sources we must all take notice. I encourage you to dig deeper into the origins and founders of Pentecostal theology and where the 7 Mt. mandate, New apostolic Reformation, revival talk comes from. it will disturb you and send you sounding the alarm. God bless.

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  23. Thank you for your courageous story. I, too, have been delivered out of charismania, where almost every week we’d hear how revival was about to break out across America; where there would be times the preacher would say “You won’t need your Bible tonight!”; where people would literally fall on each other; where I’d hear contradictory “prophecies”; where we’d read ourselves into Old Covenant Israel; where any critical examination was met with “touch not the Lord’s anointed”; and where everything depended on how you feel.
    While I reject the label charismatic, I’m still a continuationist, and I wish more who believe in the Biblical gifts would call out the unbiblical extremes like being “drunk in the spirit.”
    Praise God that His Word is so powerful, its truths so self-evident, that all one has to do is believe all of it, not just the goose-bumpy out-of-context verses, to be delivered.

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    1. Oh yes, we must have been in the same service because I heard all that nonsense as well. It’s a mad house. Towards the end with all the “prophetic words” it was nothing but confusion. You should write your story. I found this message grab my attention instantly. It would resonate w/ a lot of people trapped in that confusion.

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  24. Wow! I could have wrote this one. Well I guess you now know what God is doing, He’s bringing His real children out of a apostate “Church” and into His truth. This is a mirror of my own experiences in the Church system, I too walked away from it but doing so, onto the real narrow path that leads to everlasting life.
    All my love in Christ to this Sister in Christ. xx

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  25. I’ve heard so many prophesies about Donald Trump being chosen by God. According to one God said, “Trump was the all American boy.” Others proclaim he is a baby Christian and we must overlook his carnality, bigotry and racism or ill-gotten gains I’ve heard God in my own personal life, and these words seem out of character. I just can’t believe this is God. It sound devlish. I think the devil is fooling the elect!

    I’ve also heard prophesies about a tsunami flooding the east coast and all of Florida. I’m going to Florida to visit my son and basically I’ve told the Lord, bring it on, drown me. I’m ready to leave here and see Heaven and Eternity. Enough is enough.

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  26. Good afternoon, I also left the traditional church about three years ago, my worship is mostly in our lounge, studying the bible, praying and listening to a worship cd. For a number of years before I finally left I was unhappy with a number of things, but couldn’t bring myself to a point of decision. Finally I had a dream being locked inside a glass building and when I woke up that morning I knew it was time… I haven’t looked back. Over the years I found that God takes things away from us so that He can be our only Rock and Anchor. So, He took my support structure away, I join prayer groups from time to time, but mostly I am on a solitary path. Take note: solitary, not alone. I read news papers from which the Lord calls me to pray, I hear people talk and get involved in chats. My biggest concern is that christians can quote writers or preachers better than God’s Word – why? Why do christians not know the Word? Then we wouldn’t be surprised by things happening around us. Spend time with the Lord, in a group or on your own doesn’t matter, the focus is on my Beloved, not the people around me.

    Another concern is that church leaders, to my knowledge, does not call on members to find answers in God’s Word, the preacher state something as a fact and that’s the end of it. God is much wider than one answer or one option, in my opinion we fool ourselves if we think our option is the only correct one. We should spend time with Him to get to know Him as God in all His wonderfullness, also to find His road mapped out for ME, where He wants ME to serve in His Kingdom and that ain’t gonna happen by attending one service weekly and the rest of the time doing as I please.

    Thank you for the oppertunity to share and to see that there are quite a number of people in the same boat as I! May you all be blessed and may your relationship with the Lord grow daily.

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  27. Well , I’m not into Peter Wagner or Bob Jones or most of the TBN (LBN) group. My theology is Classic Pentecostal (AOG) which holds to the Essential Teachings of the Historic Christian Faith. And I’m very familiar with Pentecostal history and it’s roots. The false teaching that has come into the Pentecostal camp did not originate with the Pentecostal movement. Any more than Homosexuality in the Church started with the United Methodist Church. Like I said earlier, it’s not the movement but deceived Christians or false teachers creeping into the Church. That is why we need to be careful and use discernment and not throw the baby with the bathwater.

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      1. Well the Statement is true ove used or simplified or not. Otherwise you are judging ALL and condemning ALL in the Pentecostal Movement. If you read the 7 Letters to the 7 Churches you see where Christ rebuked 5 of the 7. But even though He rebuked them, He recognized those in those Churches that where doing the right thing. He did not condemn the WHOLE Church because of the error if some. Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit wrote to the Church of Corinth to correct several major errors including the abuse of the Gifts of the Spirit. But He did not say you all of you are apostate and lost and going to Hell. Again, you cannot condemn all. You do not have the authority to do so. Neither do I.

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      2. Micheal I never said that. I think you are taking my words out of context. I chose to flee a burning building. Surely you cannot blame me. I left for a more orthodox teaching. I left a mad house full of confusion and bad theology. My Conscience is clear.

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  28. Sorry if I took anything you said out of context. No condemnation. But I just wanted to clarify things at least in my own understanding. When people get hurt they tend to throw the whole thing out. My desire was balance and discernment. Yes, if there is false teaching going on in the church you were at, then you should leave it . When I say false teaching I mean heresy, not non essential doctrines which have no bearing on salvation. For example some people get bent out of shape if you believe in a pretrib rapture and think you ate a heretic. Crazy.

    Sounds like the biggest thing you dealt with were these false “words of the Lord”. I believe in the Prophetic, but not in the Pathetic. I believe in Prophesying but not Propha-lying! Sounds to me like you were victim of the Pathetic and Propha-lying. I’m very careful and on guard when someone trying to give me “a word from the Lord”. I have heard false prophecies through the years. It’s VERY DANGEROUS to say God said so and so when He did not! I have seen lives ruined and people manipulate from that mess. Makes me sick. No, I don’t blame you at all for leaving that stuff.

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  29. I had similar experiences which included spiritual bullying by leaders, believing those in my church were heaven bound, ‘words’ flying round like confetti on a particularly windy day, demons in every corner and especially prevalent in the stores during January sales etc etc.

    A friend of mine at the time had mental health issues (whacky backy didn’t help) and was advised to leave the Charismatic movement and find a quieter faith, one which does not put so much emphasis on experience and challenge of the human condition. Guilt would eat him up and he would go almost suicidal. His doctor at that time told him 25% of his patients had some affiliation with churches.

    The final straw for me, and the reason I finally left my church of 25 years, was due to the lying and deceptive nature of the pastor. I hadn’t bothered too much until it affected me. I had a good 15 years or more away. The sense of relief was palpable. I often misquoted and took Martin Luther King out of context because, well, it fitted my situation; ‘Free at last. Free at last. Thank God Amighty, I am free at last!’

    Over time and with the opportunity of hindsight, I was gullible. So were many others. The pastor was insecure and I realised that many in church leadership are the same. If I told my staff to obey me or a curse would come upon them yet the church operates differently. It is full of people who (mostly) volunteer their time. Everyone has ideas, come from different backgrounds and have varying levels of faith.

    Three years ago I went to a ‘revival’ in a church and, for the first time ever’ queued to get in. The atmosphere was expectant. Music was too loud (again) but I went up to ‘re-commit’ to Christ out of a challenge. I got shoved out of the way by burly prayer ushers who were sullen and rude. I stomped off back to my seat, picked up my coat and decided enough was enough. God is an illusion and so is this. Someone behind me said ‘Is that it? Is that all it takes?’. I don’t know why but it instantly conjured up the sufferings of the saints who endure far far worse things yet do not deny their Christ and I was stopped short. I begrudgingly turned round. The seats were empty!

    Making my way up a second time and the same thing happened again! Afterwards, I sat in the cafe. Nothing spectacular had happened to me in the meeting to me, nothing had really changed since I last went to church except this time there wasn’t the Toronto type manifestations. Yet everything had changed and that change was in me. I was suddenly able to consider that the ‘ushers’ had been there pretty much 5 or 6 nights a week for 4 months. The musicians and leaders had done the same. If it had been left to me I’d have given up after a day or so. Subsequently, I could look beyond the experiential and look at Christ. I left at 1.30am when the meeting was still going on.

    Now, I am back in a Pentecostal type church. In the evenings I attend a CofE church. I am older and wiser. I think of St Paul’s writings about spiritual milk and solid food. As Michael has stated on this blog (and I paraphrase), the church is full of people. What do we expect?

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  30. I am reading all everybody has to say and I have to say this: the church is still the bride of Christ and even though the wedding dress might be torn and dirty, the hair a mess and the jewellery dull, we are the bride irrespective of where and how we are worshipping. One bride, one body of Christ. I am called to pray for the bride, I hope you all are too.

    Another thing, I wondered where “Puresola” comes from, while googling I realised there is a term Sola Scriptura and I assume your name has something to do with this term. Which led me to something else: I love the bible and can spend hours reading it. I chat to someone who has a particular issue and quoted what I read this morning, to try and comfort them and show a different path to solve the problem. However, it might not be God’s will to hear that particular scripture. I should also be open to the Holy Spirit’s voice to give Word according to His perfect will. Where does the Holy Spirit fit into Sola Scriptura? Just wondering. I recall someone saying a long time ago that to read the bible is like a negative, the Holy Spirit colours it and give it life, so to speak. This only means something to people old enough to remember the time before digital cameras, when you took a roll of film and had to have it developed into photographs.

    One last thought, Colossians 3:2 Think of the things of heaven, not the things of earth.Therein for me is the crux – I want to fill my thoughts ie my life with Godly thoughts, put on my new nature and be renewed as iI learn to know my Creator and become like Him. It is seven o’clock at night where I am (South Africa), I am therefore greeting you with good night, may your dreams and the new day tomorrow be filled with God’s majesty. Be blessed.

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    1. According to most Sola Scriptura folk, a good many of whom are Calvinist/Cessationists, if it isn’t in the bible then it isn’t right. I simplify, of course.

      Thus, there is no longer a need nor cause for any ‘words’ from God because he has said all he needs to say in the bible. In other words, God effectively stopped speaking new revelation through mankind 2000 years ago or whenever the last apostle recorded his last words. However, we (humankind) have been adapting scripture to modern cultural practices as time as progressed using parallels to compare equivalent circumstances.

      Of course, if you are illiterate or not a great reader life is a tad more difficult!

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      1. Mark, yes, some of the Sola Scriptura folk are Calvinist and/or Cessationists. And some in these two groups are generally those who condemn all Pentecostal and Charismatic groups as well as all teaching. In fact they generally condemn everyone who disagrees with them. Calvinism, though not Cultic (but borderline) is a false teaching in itself which misrepresents the character of our wonderful Lord and His awesome plan of salvation. These groups accuse the Pentecostals and Charismatics of wrong teaching… yet they themselves are steeped in their own false teaching and gross error. Hence the pot calling the kettle black. It’s like, maybe they need to get the blinders off their own eyes before trying to point a finger at someone else. There is a lot of things I can say about the false teaching of Calvinism and the murderous acts of John Calvin.

        Now, I agree 100% that true Biblical teaching will not contradict the Word of God. Indeed, we can only know God properly through His written Word. We need to test all teachings by the Word of God regardless of the source, We must not go by feeling or impression but by thus saith the Lord.

        That said, does that mean God does not speak to us today? Absolutely not. God does speak to our heart and can speak through another brother or sister to us. Still, what is spoken must not go against the Scripture otherwise it is not of God.
        God can speak to us by the Holy Spirit, guide and lead us into what He wants us to know or show us what to do or where we need to be. Jesus said the Holy Spirit would teach us and bring to remembrance things He said. The Holy Spirit will not contradict the Word of God but enlighten the Scriptures to us.

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      2. Amen to that, Michael. Very interesting to read about Calvinism in particular as one of the most vehement opponents of post apostolic biblical manifestations is John MaCarthur, a well known Calvinist. Here’s an interesting thought or rather it was interesting to me: two of the most powerful revivals in history took place amongst Calvinistic settings: the Welsh Revival 1904-1905 and Hebrides Revival 1949-1952.

        I believe you said you are a pastor? Like me, I am sure you have seen excesses in church and the challenge is, well, to challenge those excesses. As a pastor that is necessary but difficult. But it doesn’t make God’s wonderful grace and gifts any less relevant today.

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  31. Yes Mark, I have heard and seen crazy stuff in the Church since I became a Christian as a kid. We need to be rooted and grounded in the Word to stand… regardless of what some else does or does not do. If all forsake Christ what are you going to do? Follow the crowd? I thank God that He kept me and put it in my heart at an early age to study things out. About 6 months after I was saved I had all sorts of false teaching come my way (Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, Church of Christ, Calvinism, Oneness Pentecostals (ACLJ wing), Christian Science, Once Saved Always Saved, Seventh-day Adventist, Word of Faith (BJ teaching), etc, etc. When I heard these false teachings, the Holy Spirit would always put a “check in my spirit” and it drove me to study the Scriptures to see if what they were saying was true. I spent hours in study in those days which laid a biblical foundation before I went to Bible College. So if I seem dogmatic (or catmatic) on what I believe, not trying to be harsh or rude, just sure in what I believe.

    I can see where “puresola” is coming from. You have to test everything, use discernment and wisdom. This “thus saith the Lord’ stuff has hurt a lot of people. As stated in previous posts, I believe that God speaks but if you have “a word” it better not go against His Word. Really, all believers have the Holy Spirit and should be led by the Spirit of God and not by people saying “I have a word for you”. I realize that God can speak through someone but what they speak should confirm what God is saying to you. We are not to follow people.

    While having seen bad things in the Church I have seen a lot of good too. People saved, people healed, marriages restored etc etc. Praise God for His mercy and grace!. This is an exciting time. Sure there is false teaching and darkness but as Christians we are to take a stand for the truth and allow God to use us to reach a lost and hurting world. There are also a lot of hurting Christians and wounded Pastors that need restoration. Usually they are put on the back burner or ignored altogether. My heart really goes out to the wounded. We have shot our own many times. God help us and anoint us with His Holy Spirit to make a difference for the Kingdom and in this world.

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  32. I’m so sorry to hear about your experience. Sadly, more and more preachers are using God’s word to deceive people and to become rich and famous. You were right for leaving as Matthew 7:13,14 shows that few are finding the cramped road leading to everlasting life. In that same chapter it warns about false prophets and that you will recognize them by their fruits (Matthew 7:15-20) and goes on to mention that these false prophets will be disappointed on the last day when Jesus turns to them and says “I never knew you, get away from me you workers of lawlessness” (Matthew 7:21-23). If you’re really looking for truth I would encourage you to visit http://www.jw.org. This website offers so much encouraging bible based literature. Whether you want to join a religion again or just study on your own, at least you’ll receive bible truth. I currently attend these services and have never seen such a loving group of people that are determined to adhere to bible principles and demonstrate true brotherly love as God instructs. It’s a worldwide organization that is truly united and there is nothing else like it in the world.

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  33. I’m in a bit of a situation right now. My family & I left a pretty dead baptist church about 6 months ago to attend a church that might be described as charismatic. There is an hour of worship, people are prayed over after the service, healed, (maybe?) tongues are heard (and interpreted) definitely out of the box from what I am used to or comfortable with. But, I want to be open to things that will challenge me and stretch my faith. Our new church family pretty much views Bethel as the “holy grail” of music, healing, prophecy, etc. Last week, my wife & I attended a Bethel healing conference – I did not make it through the entire 3 days. What I saw was so over the top crazy, I left mad, disillusioned, frustrated, confused, and I am now at a point where I am questioning my own faith and where (if at all) to attend church. So, I resonate with and appreciate your story. It is so difficult to be discerning when you are hearing 80 or 90% truth – and I will not claim to be a Bible scholar. I want to believe and experience God in new and exciting ways. (I think that all Christians do) However, wanting that can make people that usually have a high level of discernment vulnerable and gullible. We believe God can heal and/or fill us with his spirit – and because we long for it, we want so eagerly to believe what we see. I feel so duped – not sure what our next chapter is going to bring. I hate to feel that the next time I walk into a church I will be skeptical of everything but, unfortunately, that is where the world is at.

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    1. Acts 17:10-12 NKJV
      10 Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews.11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

      1 Thess 5:21 NAS
      But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.

      John 8:31-32 AMP
      31 So Jesus said to those Jews who had believed in Him, If you abide in My word [hold fast to My teachings and live in accordance with them], you are truly My disciples.
      32 And you will know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free.

      Brother Dave,
      Sorry for your bad Church experiences you and your family have encountered. I do know how you feel. Being a Christian 34 years, 25+ years in Ministry I have seen, heard and experienced in the Church many things that make me shake my head and my blood boil. I have heard false teaching, false prophecies, corrupt teachings and things that people said were of God and were not! Also, have heard and seen gossip. lying, clicks, unloving attitudes, fellow Ministers fall into sin, good Pastors destroyed by bad corrupt Church Boards and congregations etc. Like I said in earlier posts, in Church you will find Genuine Christians, backslidden Christians, deceived Christians, those who think they are Christianst, unbelievers and the like. As a Minister, it infuriates me that Pastors do not use discernment and that some allow things that are not of God in the Church. All these things can make you discouraged and make you want to quit Church altogether, especially if it happens to you personally. And trust me I have had my share. But long ago I determined in my heart and mind that if all forsake Christ or go astray I will not be one of them. I cannot help what others do, I can only help what I do and I do not want ANYTHING coming in between me and Christ. He is my all in all! I do not say these things out of pride or self ambition but I am truly DETERMINED to live my life for Him no matter what others do or don’t do. My destination is Heaven or bust! Looking forward to that blessed day when I see Jesus face to face; and by His strength I will live for Him until my last breath. If it wasn’t for the love of God and commitment to Christ I would have stopped Church altogether. Only by God’s grace, strength and help have I made it thus far.

      If things are that bad at that Church I would encourage you to leave and seek a Church that preaches the Word. Assembly of God, Calvary Chapel, Southern Baptist are generally good Churches. There are also some others and Independent Churches that are good. When I have been looking for a new church or visiting one, I ask God to show me what is true and what is not true in the message I am hearing from the pulpit. Also, I pray for discernment of those I meet. Jesus said that He would send the Holy Spirit and He would bring us into all truth and bring things to remembrance of what Christ has said in His Word (Jn 14:26). That is why it is SO IMPORTANT to study and learn Scripture. We can only know God properly by His Word, not feeling, emotion or some experience. Sure, when God manifests Himself, you may get emotional and feel His Presence. But those things are not the test for discernment. His Word is. When the Word and the Holy Spirit are manifested in a service, keep this in mind: true preaching will always exalt Christ and His teaching (Jn5:39) and, the manifestation of the Holy Spirit will always point to Jesus (Jn16:13,14). The Word and the Holy Spirit will never go against each other. A lot of things that is said to be the Holy Spirit moving is nothing but the Flesh, Carnality and Recognition of self! We must always conform are teachings and experiences to the Word and not conform the Word to our teachings and experiences.

      I will be agreeing in prayer with you Brother that God would heal any damage done by this Church and that He would guide you and your family where you need to be.

      If you ever want to chat, let me know and will be glad to listen.

      God Bless.

      Phil 1:5-6NKJV
      Being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ

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    2. Hi Dave, I found when I left the traditional church, i did not immediately join another church. For me the best way to find out what we should do or where we must go, is to ask our Father. He knows best, He knows where He wants to use you. It might take time, after three years I am still waiting for directions, but it doesn’t matter. I spend a lot of time on my own with the Lord, I join prayer groups and chats like this or whatsapp groups. All the best to you on your new path, we pray for each other even if we are on opposite sides of the globe.

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  34. I appreciate the prayer & responses. Once I got over being mad & looking for “dirt” on Bethel I prayed for discernment and was led to 1 John 4. In reading, studying, praying, and using 1 John 4 as a litmus test, God’s word (imagine that) gave me clarity and hope in a frustrating situation. I’ve been humbled, but this “thing” has given me a new zeal not just to pursue Truth, but to pray for wisdom and discernment – specifically, discernment of the spirits. As my brother Michael referenced, 1 Thess. 5:21: “But examine everything carefully, hold fast to what is good.” We have decided to leave our current church as it has too many ties to Bethel, Sozo, & other things that do not pass the above litmus test. I don’t know where we will end up on Sunday mornings, but we will attend with a new level of discernment, awareness, and worship.

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  35. Amen, I too had same experience. ABBA FATHER has led me back to HIS COMPLETE WORD.
    I am Torah Observer. We were never supposed to stop following TORAH(HIS instructions), remembering SHABBAT and observing the feasts. The real reason the so called “church” has gotten so apostate is because they have
    Turned away from the Torah(instructions), laws and commandments and have become pagan with all
    The holidays and false beliefs, & man made traditions. YESHUA DID NOT COME TO DESTROY THE LAW BUT TO FULFILL, OR DO THE LAW!! I have found my WAY IN YESHUA –I am Hebrew (crossed over). Everywhere you read in scriptures the Torah was to be taught and followed FOREVER, EVERLASTING. this is why many have lost their way. ABBA IS CALLING US OUT OF BABYLON—HIS TRUE REMNANT–returning to HIS WAYS, HIS INSTRUCTIONS(TORAH), HIS FEASTS, HIS SHABBAT. LIVING HOLY EVEN AS HE IS HOLY!! Yes YESHUA MAKES IT POSSIBLE- SHALOM SISTER

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  36. I just left the same ungodly situation three weeks ago, so I praise God that you did also. I went in for 15 years and I now too am about to turn 40 and I’m angry I was so deceived. I also am blogging about it. Hope to have your readership.

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    1. I was so happy to read your message! Im excited to read your testimony and I know how it feels. When you are leaving it can be overwhelming. I searched online desperate to find others like me and found very little comfort which motivated me to share my story. Thank you for sharing yours and please post it to your Facebook as well. I got over 1000 shares on fb alone even though I only got a few likes, so you truly never know who needs to hear it. A great resource is Justin Peters teachings on YouTube and the Strange Fire conference. It was like medicine to hear it summarized so perfectly. You are NOT alone and as deception continues to increase in Churches, God will bring more out. He delivered you out of a great deception. The Harlot Church system is also helpful you can find the PDF online. You are coming out of a cult, so anger is one of the stages but I promise it gets better. I have only been out 9 months and I still feel anger. It is a righteous holy anger at how God is treated like a customer service agent and more. Be patient with yourself and take all the time off you need to heal. If you need to vent, I’m here.

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      1. Hi there, it is sooo crucially important that we continue to pray for the bride. Her dress is dirty and torn and she is not excited about her groom anymore, only about her jewellery, but she remains the bride…. very sad.

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  37. What you described fits that movement to a tee…
    I was involved in a legalistic, non denominational charismatic assembly back in the 80s when I was a young adult.
    Everything you described I can relate to very much.
    You described it very well indeed.

    I’m glad that God opened your eyes too.
    God loves you very much.

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  38. I am just beginning to come out of the wilderness and began attending an affiliate of Bethel. Many in the congregation go to and from Bethel. I have my antennas up with being so new coming back into the body /church. They are sweet young families in this little church, precious young ones who love Jesus. BUT i have concerns so i am doing some research. I am finding this site among others that are confirming some concerns.

    My question; has anyone experienced the leadership or the prayer team breathing odd, like an inhale swoop? I watched Mr Johnson do this on a you tube sermon in my research and it was something a young prayer team guy did when praying over me. I have studied deeply in my time in the wilderness , prostrate on my face before Jesus and the Word of God. One thing that i experienced in years of study on Principalities and Powers of darkness is how Satan mimics the truth (exact opposite of God’s word) also that patterns are a quick way to discern his deceit. (very few tricks in his arsenal) . They are always the same , a pattern, typically very juvenile . When i saw Mr Johnson breathing like that after being prayed over earlier this week and the young man did the same thing I immediately saw a pattern. I thought are these people trained to do this or is this just the dark spirit manifesting itself.

    The other thing is EVERYONE has the gift of prophecy?

    Well for now i think i will watch and pray and ask God to guide us to His true body.

    Thank you for all your posts.

    Blessings Lynn

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    1. Bill Johnson and his wife are into grave soaking. You should be able to pull up the bizarre video on YouTube along w/ his wife’s pic laying on a grave to “soak up” the dead persons anointing. I began to notice that they turn their “feeling” and “experiences” into doctrine. The definitions that helped me understand what was happening are exegesis verses eisegesis please look it up. I believe it will bring clarity to you. As for the breathing, these kids are desperate for recognition and fame in churches, they mimic there idols; unfortunately Bill Johnson is held in high esteem among many young people. Sad The doctrine at bethel is deplorable. False prophecy is rampant in these circles. When I held up the teachings of the Bible to their teachings it simply could not stand. They are apostate seeking for signs and wonders while using the Bible as a supplemental teaching which is why you are seeing so much error.

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  39. What is happening in our church assemblies is quite sad. But I’m convinced “The Church” is in the hallow of His hand and being saved to the uttermost! The deception runs deep and is becoming alarmingly subtle. Everything from modern day apostles and prophets, signs and wonders, women in leadership, all spiritual gifts exist or only a portion exist today, social gospel/social justice, market place ministry (We Love Our City), 7 mountain mandate and on and on. While so many of these are not the “essentials” or the “fundamentals” of the faith there is a point when it’s time to cry foul on some of the things taking place in our assemblies.

    Titus 1:9 (ESV) He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound[fn] doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.

    I recently left my church when there were some things creeping in…..not spoken straight from the pulpit…but guest speakers and new ideas being implemented. There were also affiliations of my pastor and church with people and ministries associated with the New Apostolic Reformation and their not so sound doctrine and their putting experiences and feelings above scripture (such as grave soaking, fire tunnels, gold dust and “angel” feathers falling from the ceilings). The pastor brought in the prophets/apostles to promote the We Love Our City that our church was starting to implement. The pastor also works with YWAM that has reference to the 7 spheres of influence (7 mountain mandate) language on their website. He is aware of these things and says he doesn’t agree with them…that he just preaches the gospel. Unfortunately the pastor has been influenced by these things whether he sees it or not. We’ve all heard it….”By beholding we become changed.”

    1 Cor 15:33 (ESV) Do not be deceived: “Bad company ruins good morals

    If you’re not condemning some of these actions you’re condoning them on some level and in doing so you’re misleading the sheep.

    1 Tim 4:16 (NKJV) Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.

    James 3:1 (NKJV) My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.

    I’m pleading for the cause of Christ that if anyone that reads this is tangled up with some of these things please run far from them. Cry out to Jesus and repent for He is a God of restoration and will be a present help in your time of need. Get into His Word. Search the scriptures and you will find Him there. He is the Word. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life and no one comes to the Father but by Him!

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    1. Not sure what’s so bad about 7-M. In principle anyway. We Christians moan about a lot of ungodly areas of our lives whether in the media, schools, business etc. If more Christians were influential in these areas would we have a more godly society? I think we would.

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  40. I attend a Pentecostal church after leaving the Catholic church. I grew up mainly in the Presbyterian church (with my mom) and occasionally attended the Pentecostal church (with my dad during his visitation). My current pastor reads from the bible and we talk about what it means. I believe its straight forward. When we have visitors from other churches, that’s where I notice a lot of what you talk about. They don’t even have one bible verse in the sermon or compare to a bible story. The one thing I don’t like about my church is that they do believe you must speak in tongues to say you have the Holy Ghost/Spirit which I do not believe. I knew I had the Holy Spirit within me because of how I live. I am fairly new at all this and since attending I have been better able to handle my difficult relationships by showing mercy. This I never knew about before. Unlike the Pentecostal church my dad took me to, my church doesn’t say what we should wear or if we should not cut our hair. We are encouraged to develop our own relationship with Jesus at our own pace. I am still very careful not be trapped in the bubble like Puresola says. To keep my eyes aware to possible false teachings. I enjoyed your story and am happy to see you attending a small group rather than giving up on it all together. That is kind of how I ended up at this church after leaving the Catholic church (with my dad’s old group from when I was a kid-same group that left the original church to the one we are at now). I questioned why we did certain things during mass but i was usually given an answer that didn’t relate back to the bible. A lot is tradition. I just want to know the bible as intended. No smoke and mirrors.

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